How can you not be christian?

[Grave_n_idle]

The serpent is not supposed to be omniscient, even if god DID mean that, how would the serpent have known, and how could he have predicted their deaths in hundreds of years? He didn't tell them to eat it, and as far as I'm concerned he did not decieve them.

Omniscience has nothing to do with this. The serpent knew the commission, and therefore would have known the punishment since they were presented to Adam at the same time. He denied the punishment would happen before Eve.

"Eventually" bears no part in it. The penalty is the penalty, doesn't really matter if it is executed in 2 seconds or 2000 years.

You're right, he didn't say "eat this". He tricked her into wanting to eat it... As we know, even in a soceity dedicated to free speech, said freedom does not itself abrogate one of the effect of their speech, or penalties imposed. You yell fire in a crowded theater and you will be penalized.

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

Actually, the word we tend to use for that is 'advertising'. I'm just saying.

Interesting thought, though - are you saying the serpent was more than just a serpent?

[Kayliea]

shame none of it ever happened

[Grave_n_idle]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

That wasn't the result of eating the fruit. That was the result of a vengeful god.

[Grave_n_idle]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

Actually, in telling them they would surely die, he was deceptive - there was nothing sure about it.

God didn't have to let them die. God didn't have to stop them from eating the fruit of the other tree. So - either by direct intervention, or even by NON-intervention, Adam and Eve could have been immortal. Thus, 'surely' was decpetive.

[The-Holy-Land]

I am Catholic

[Farnhamia]

I am Catholic

Good for you. Have a cookie. Did you want to contribute to the thread, or just felt like making a three-word declaration of your faith?

[Manahakatouki]

Haha I don't care about any of this.....

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am Catholic

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I am a bitch. Can I have cookie too? Pweese. I used 4 words.

[SHADOW Corporation]

My question is how can you not be christian. People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin. Also people say why doesnt god just show himself and my answer to that is Faith. What use what it be if god just showed himself to everyone and then everyone just switched to christian, God wants people who have faith and are loyal not people who see him and then suddenly believe. Also Athiest who dont belive in god explain to me about ghosts then? Dont say thier not real either because my dad and stepmother have both seen demons, and if you want to know about it i would be more than happy to explain.

Also people who belive Obama is the Anti-Christ, I can see this to some point because in the bible it says that the Anti-Christ will try to make peace wiht everyone and be a nice handsome smooth talker whihc obama is so yes i can see obama being the anti-christ. But i wouldnt freak out about it because if your saved then you will go to heaven. just like 2012 why freak out when you will be going to a better place thats why i think the people who freak out about it are the ones who are worried because they no about the sins they have committed.


Also all of these different religons like catholics, prodestants and judism and all the others i think are in my opinion are not needed because all you have to do is belive in god and the virgin marry and that jesus gave his sins for us, also god didnt make religon, humans made religon in thier own way that they seen fit. For example reilgon is formed like a club and then one day a member form that club doesnt like the ideas of it so then they go and make thier own club meaning religon. But really all you have to do is belive in virgin marry, jesus sacrifice and belive in god as your heavenly father and you will go to heaven.

Im not a perfect christian, no one is infact ive had my doubts but after talking wiht my Step Mom and my Dad and thinking about the miracles that have happened to me i do belive there is a god and thats called faith. So please anyone is welcome to comment but do not argue or make stupid comments or make fun of anyones religon. This is meant to be a discussion not a argument about which religon is better or calling someone stupid because of thier beliefs.

Because I reserve the right not to and I'll be dammed if anyone is going to force it on me.

[1337tonia]

Wow, almost 1,000 replies to such a dumb question. I suppose everyone does love a little controversy now and then.

I still like how i posed my original post...every time i read it, I always think, "Man, I'm an ass."

[Dyakovo]

I am Catholic

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I am a bitch. Can I have cookie too

Sure

[Gesford]

Best Wikipedia quote evar?

"Physical trauma, especially to the head, can radically alter a person's beliefs."

[2nd PLT]

Best Wikipedia quote evar?

"Physical trauma, especially to the head, can radically alter a person's beliefs."

Now we just got to figure out what kind of blow, where on the head, and how hard.

[SHADOW Corporation]

I am Catholic

Good for you. Have a cookie. Did you want to contribute to the thread, or just felt like making a three-word declaration of your faith?

I am a bitch. Can I have cookie too

Sure

Can I Haz Cookie? See that was four words too.

[Our Lady GaGa]

Best Wikipedia quote evar?

"Physical trauma, especially to the head, can radically alter a person's beliefs."

Now we just got to figure out what kind of blow, where on the head, and how hard.

How often as well.

[Kotlas]

I am Catholic

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nice one! Anyway, I would counter the ignorant and close-minded individual who created this thread with this: How can u be Christian? It makes absolutely no sense. Every one of ur little bible stories is completely insane!

THE STORY OF THE VIRGIN MARY
Joseph: Where were you last night? You never came home!
Mary: Umm... I was at a umm... late night party.... yeah that's right! That's where I was! A late night party! I'm prepared to swear it!!!
Joseph: Okay, that's fine. Nothing suspicious about that.

4 months later...
Joseph: Good morning Mary! Your looking fatter than usual today... wait a second... you're pregnant!!! But we agreed you would be a virgin because God wants abstinence! What on Earth have you been up to?!?
Mary (nervously): Okay, step back a moment. This is not at all what it looks like! It is possible to become pregnant while abstaining.
Joseph: It is?
Mary: Yeah, um... God must have sent us this baby! That's what must have happened! It is a holy baby!
Joseph: Awesome!!! This is so great!

THE END

And as for your little perfect design story, human eyes are upside-down and backwards. Then our mind turns it right side up. Is this what you consider "perfect"?

[Dyakovo]

I am Catholic

Good for you. Have a cookie. Did you want to contribute to the thread, or just felt like making a three-word declaration of your faith?

I am a bitch. Can I have cookie too

Sure

Can I Haz Cookie? See that was four words too.

You could, but I gave the last one to Nana-chan.

[SHADOW Corporation]

I am Catholic

Good for you. Have a cookie. Did you want to contribute to the thread, or just felt like making a three-word declaration of your faith?

I am a bitch. Can I have cookie too

Sure

Can I Haz Cookie? See that was four words too.

You could, but I gave the last one to Nana-chan.

Very well then I shall steal it! http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/1 ... som-foodz/

[Tekania]

human eyes are upside-down and backwards. Then our mind turns it right side up.

The eyes aren't... The image is... That is what happens when light passes through a lens and is focused upon the receiving medium.

A better case would be the optic blind-spot created by the fact that where the optic nerve contact the retina there are no receptive cells, and as such we have blind spots which are filled in by our mind using data from the other eye. Octopi are more advanced than us because they do not have this "design defect"( LOL).

[Harmosia]

I wish i could move stuff like this...
And this won't end well.
I can't be a christian because, every time I hear about the stories, I get the impossibly strong feeling that God, as Christians and Catholics know him, is evil, and the Devil is good.
And the being of evil shouldn't be good. Thus I remain Neo Pagan, in which there are a plethora of fates, one god to rule them, and the enemy you have no sympathy for, Angra Manryu, All evils in the world.

In the bible its against god to participate in ind of witchcraft and no satan is not good that is why he was casted out of heaven when he tried to question god. Alot of people dont believe because they tink the storys are all fairytales but no thier true and if you take a look at what the bible says about things that are going to happen they actually are happening yet the bible was written many many years ago so thats a reason. Also your pegan so im curious does that mean you worship satan or a witch god im sorry but im not familiar with it.

Okay, yeah, I know, this post was one of the 1st posts, and I haven't read anything after that, but still, I want to say somethings.

First of all, the Bible was written near two-thousand years ago, correct? If so, then how do you know that over time, it hasn't been altered? People may have re-written it to fit their own personal standards. For example, two-thousand years ago, people were extremely sexist, so, how do you know that God is a man? How do you know that the men of that time refused to except God being a woman, and so decided that he/she was a man, instead? There are so many things in the Bible that could easily have been different when originally written.

Also, here's another topic that I am NOT the first person to stress over. You guys have the Bible. So what? If I have a book that tells me to worship potatoes, should I go worship potatoes? Just because you have something written down, doesn't mean it's true! There are a lot of religions that have their own texts and writings, and even MORE have been passed down orally! So what about the Bible makes it any different from everything else?

And also, Witchcraft. Many beliefs, (I say beliefs because some "Witchy" religions are more modern, thus the term "Neo-pagan") involving the practices of Witchcraft (which, by the way, has NOTHING TO DO WITH SATAN!!! I CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH!!) were here before Christianity. It was associated with Satan by priests of that time period so as to convert more people to Christianity and give them a just cause for the burning, hanging and other cruel murders of innocent people who refused to convert. In fact, most of these 'Witches' were good people, and a lot of beliefs follow a sort of ethical code. I'm going to use Wicca as an example. In Wicca, there exists the Wiccan Rede. This is the short version of The Wiccan Rede;

"Bide the Wiccan Law ye must,
In perfect love, in perfect trust.

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill:
An ye harm none, do as ye will.

And ever mind the Rule of Three:
What ye send out, comes back to thee.

Follow this with mind and heart,
And merry ye meet, and merry ye part."

I would so love to explain much more, but I believe this should at least provide some insight to your misinformed concepts. Maybe you should try to research the religions that you're trying to prove inferior. Now before you say your not doing that, I'm gonna say this: Yes. Yes you are. Whether you mean to or not, your trying to prove Christianity superior to everything else.

[Geniasis]

Actually, in telling them they would surely die, he was deceptive - there was nothing sure about it.

God didn't have to let them die. God didn't have to stop them from eating the fruit of the other tree. So - either by direct intervention, or even by NON-intervention, Adam and Eve could have been immortal. Thus, 'surely' was decpetive.

But they did die. They died a spiritual death.

Assuming that the Eden account is literal--which I don't know that I ascribe to--in Romans, Paul talks about how Death entered the world through Adam and how Christ brought life. Since I've never met anyone who avoided a physical death via Jesus, Paul is either claiming that the "death" Adam brought wasn't a physical decay, or he's talking about how Christ didn't do jack-shit.

Of course, the whole Eden account is probably more parable than fact. I mean, really.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

But they did die. They died a spiritual death.

So god WAS playing word games with them. That's deception.

[Dakini]

The serpent is not supposed to be omniscient, even if god DID mean that, how would the serpent have known, and how could he have predicted their deaths in hundreds of years? He didn't tell them to eat it, and as far as I'm concerned he did not decieve them.

Omniscience has nothing to do with this. The serpent knew the commission, and therefore would have known the punishment since they were presented to Adam at the same time. He denied the punishment would happen before Eve.

"Eventually" bears no part in it. The penalty is the penalty, doesn't really matter if it is executed in 2 seconds or 2000 years.

You're right, he didn't say "eat this". He tricked her into wanting to eat it... As we know, even in a soceity dedicated to free speech, said freedom does not itself abrogate one of the effect of their speech, or penalties imposed. You yell fire in a crowded theater and you will be penalized.

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

Actually, since Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil until they ate the fruit of the tree, they really weren't responsible for eating it because they actually couldn't have known better. It's like punishing children harshly for stealing when they haven't been taught that stealing is wrong, or they don't yet know the difference between stealing and sharing.

And if the Biblical character God wanted, it could have prevented this since it is omnipotent and it should have foreseen this because it is supposed to be omniscient. Instead, it gave unreasonable punishments for a crime that Adam and Eve couldn't have known was actually all that bad. This would be like executing a child for stealing when this child doesn't know that stealing is wrong and an older child told the kid that it would be ok to do it.

[YKnots3]

Ok first of all I'm atheist so I don't belive in sin but instead don't bad things because I know they will hurt others and second of all you have commited the sin if vanity/pride multiple times in your post by assumeing that your religon is better than the rest .Your point about there being a god because there are ghosts is unsound because
1-if there is a god the ghosts should be in heaven or hell not on earth
2-there are no ghost
3-u say that your relitives have seen ghost and this proves that there are ghosts, but this does not count because you have no proof that they saw them. Seeing ghosts could also mean those people have mental problems or just saw a illusion

when u say that All te religons with 1 god Are the same you are mistaken they differ on many points such as wether or not jesus is the son of god. This shows your lack of reaserch and that you are dogmatic and Think that everyone should be like you....one word "crusades"

finaly during the course of your post u insult and make stupid comments. The reason I can't be Christian is that with all the facts that say otherise I refuse to act ignorantly and ignore them.

[Geniasis]

But they did die. They died a spiritual death.

So god WAS playing word games with them. That's deception.

Well, no. Not exactly. A spiritual death would have been a matter of far more grave concern than physical death. For that matter, the word "death" is often used to refer to a spiritual death rather than a physical one. Perhaps it's a translation or a cultural thing, but "death" was apparently commonly understood to mean something other than the decay of the physical shell.

Again, the Eden story isn't actually literal, so it's kind of irrelevant.