How can you not be christian?

[Treznor]

Ok, I am a Christian but actually I find this pretty funny. How can someone not be a Christian? Well obviously because they have free will. This is something we have been granted by god. 1) Atheists *choose* not to believe in god. This is a perfectly rational stance to take in lieu of concrete proof, albeit not my own.

Wait, what?

Not believing an an imaginary man in the sky is a choice now? Huh. I thought it was a logical conclusion that ultimately overrode my childhood programming that I was supposed to believe. I never realized I chose it.

But then again, that's me.

choice (chois)
n.
1. The act of choosing; selection.
2. The power, right, or liberty to choose; option.
3. One that is chosen.
4. A number or variety from which to choose: a wide choice of styles and colors.
5. The best or most preferable part.
6. Care in choosing.
7. An alternative.

Yep, it's a choice.... Unless you're supposing someone held a gun to your head.

Last I checked, I can't choose to believe in God and really believe it. I can choose to follow a religion, but belief is a bit trickier. For example: Mother Theresa labored for decades for a God she didn't believe in. Her actions were her choice, but she constantly wrote about her desire to be able to believe. She couldn't simply choose to believe in God when she didn't.

[Tekania]

Ok, I am a Christian but actually I find this pretty funny. How can someone not be a Christian? Well obviously because they have free will. This is something we have been granted by god. 1) Atheists *choose* not to believe in god. This is a perfectly rational stance to take in lieu of concrete proof, albeit not my own.

Wait, what?

Not believing an an imaginary man in the sky is a choice now? Huh. I thought it was a logical conclusion that ultimately overrode my childhood programming that I was supposed to believe. I never realized I chose it.

But then again, that's me.

choice (chois)
n.
1. The act of choosing; selection.
2. The power, right, or liberty to choose; option.
3. One that is chosen.
4. A number or variety from which to choose: a wide choice of styles and colors.
5. The best or most preferable part.
6. Care in choosing.
7. An alternative.

Yep, it's a choice.... Unless you're supposing someone held a gun to your head.

Last I checked, I can't choose to believe in God and really believe it. I can choose to follow a religion, but belief is a bit trickier. For example: Mother Theresa labored for decades for a God she didn't believe in. Her actions were her choice, but she constantly wrote about her desire to be able to believe. She couldn't simply choose to believe in God when she didn't.

You "can't" or you "won't"? See, can't assumes an actual impossibility. That is, if you "can't" do something it is because you are actually incapable of doing it. So by saying you "can't" believe, you are attempting to say you lack all capacity to place trust in an idea or person.... Truthfully it's that you WON'T believe... It's not in your will to do so based upon other personal criteria... you simply fail to logically disconnect the varying nuances of "can't" and "won't", and assume that which you "won't" do, you "can't" when in reality you possess all the tools and faculties capable of exercising it, just not against your will.

[Treznor]

Last I checked, I can't choose to believe in God and really believe it. I can choose to follow a religion, but belief is a bit trickier. For example: Mother Theresa labored for decades for a God she didn't believe in. Her actions were her choice, but she constantly wrote about her desire to be able to believe. She couldn't simply choose to believe in God when she didn't.

You "can't" or you "won't"? See, can't assumes an actual impossibility. That is, if you "can't" do something it is because you are actually incapable of doing it. So by saying you "can't" believe, you are attempting to say you lack all capacity to place trust in an idea or person.... Truthfully it's that you WON'T believe... It's not in your will to do so based upon other personal criteria... you simply fail to logically disconnect the varying nuances of "can't" and "won't", and assume that which you "won't" do, you "can't" when in reality you possess all the tools and faculties capable of exercising it, just not against your will.

"Won't" implies choice. I could choose to return to the religion my mother raised me in, but I didn't leave it because I decided I didn't want to believe any longer. I left because I was unable to believe what they were saying, because I could not believe what I was preaching myself.

As I said, don't you think Mother Theresa would have believed if she could have? She wrote repeatedly that she was in hell because she was incapable of belief. She was tortured because she felt she was a horrible person because she didn't believe. Clearly, if it was simply a matter of choosing to believe she would have done so.

No, I see nothing about belief that implies choice. It's a state of mind, but not one that we can simply choose to turn on or off. We have to be convinced that belief is appropriate for whatever reason. Thus I use "can't" instead of "won't."

[Juristonia]

However, one could say something cannot be created out of nothing, with other words the universe doesn't exist, in other words we do not exist and everything you see isn't real, even seeing isn't real. Even this post is not real.

Wake up, Neo.
The Matrix has you.

[Tekania]

Last I checked, I can't choose to believe in God and really believe it. I can choose to follow a religion, but belief is a bit trickier. For example: Mother Theresa labored for decades for a God she didn't believe in. Her actions were her choice, but she constantly wrote about her desire to be able to believe. She couldn't simply choose to believe in God when she didn't.

You "can't" or you "won't"? See, can't assumes an actual impossibility. That is, if you "can't" do something it is because you are actually incapable of doing it. So by saying you "can't" believe, you are attempting to say you lack all capacity to place trust in an idea or person.... Truthfully it's that you WON'T believe... It's not in your will to do so based upon other personal criteria... you simply fail to logically disconnect the varying nuances of "can't" and "won't", and assume that which you "won't" do, you "can't" when in reality you possess all the tools and faculties capable of exercising it, just not against your will.

"Won't" implies choice. I could choose to return to the religion my mother raised me in, but I didn't leave it because I decided I didn't want to believe any longer. I left because I was unable to believe what they were saying, because I could not believe what I was preaching myself.

As I said, don't you think Mother Theresa would have believed if she could have? She wrote repeatedly that she was in hell because she was incapable of belief. She was tortured because she felt she was a horrible person because she didn't believe. Clearly, if it was simply a matter of choosing to believe she would have done so.

No, I see nothing about belief that implies choice. It's a state of mind, but not one that we can simply choose to turn on or off. We have to be convinced that belief is appropriate for whatever reason. Thus I use "can't" instead of "won't."

You have all the necessary tools and faculties at your disposal to exercise belief in something. You appear to be living, you have a functional mind capable of holding, processing and retrieving data, eyes, ears, and other sensory organs for taking in data, and other systems for expressing that data outward... willpower is definitely in force... Nope, you most certainly "can"... you simply lack the will to choose in that direction and therefore "won't".... but "lack of will" =/= inability. I really don't care if you're claiming, Mother Theresa is claiming of Pope Benedict is claiming an "incapability"... you're all exercising open aspects of your mental capacity which shows you do possess the capacity. You simply do not have an understanding grasp of your own wills.

[Treznor]

You have all the necessary tools and faculties at your disposal to exercise belief in something. You appear to be living, you have a functional mind capable of holding, processing and retrieving data, eyes, ears, and other sensory organs for taking in data, and other systems for expressing that data outward... willpower is definitely in force... Nope, you most certainly "can"... you simply lack the will to choose in that direction and therefore "won't".... but "lack of will" =/= inability. I really don't care if you're claiming, Mother Theresa is claiming of Pope Benedict is claiming an "incapability"... you're all exercising open aspects of your mental capacity which shows you do possess the capacity. You simply do not have an understanding grasp of your own wills.

Fine. I challenge you to believe that the Moon is a paper mache facade to hide the alien observatory where they check on our numbers before harvest. Let me know when this belief is as deeply embedded in your worldview as belief in invisible gods are for others.

[Levorizima]

I do find it funny that the original poster seems to not know anything about other religions, nor the origin of his own for that matter.

You call Judaism wrong and yet, Jesus Christ, was a Jew.

You call Judaism wrong and yet, if not for the Jews, Jesus would not have existed, nor would alot of the key elements that now make up Christianity.

You say that Islam is a religion who's God rewards them for killing, this is not so, this is an extremist viewpoint, much alike the Christian Crusaders in the middle ages who went to the Middle East and killed Muslims and Jews because they believed it was their holy duty to God.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity all essentially believe in the same "God", they just call him by different names and believe the stories of different prophets. It really goes deeper than that, but I've oversimplified it for the purpose of this post.

Oh, and on the issue of Atheists, let them be. If they don't try to force their 'non-belief' down our throats, why should we try to force our belief and views down theirs?

[Tekania]

Fine. I challenge you to believe that the Moon is a paper mache facade to hide the alien observatory where they check on our numbers before harvest. Let me know when this belief is as deeply embedded in your worldview as belief in invisible gods are for others.

I do not believe that, because I do not will it, but I possess all the necessary tools and faculties which provide an ability to believe it. I could chose to lie, and say I believe it... but the choice is the lie, because I still will not believe it, I merely will say I that I believe it, which isn't what I really will in connection with the belief itself.

[Kayliea]

I am no feeble Christ, not me
He hangs in glib delight upon his cross, upon his cross,
Above my body, lowly me
Christ forgive, forgive?
Holy He, He holy, He holy?
Shit He forgives, Forgive? Forgive?
I? I? Me? I? I vomit for you Jesu
Christy Christus
Puke upon your papal throne
Wrapped I am in the muddy cloud
Of hellish genocide
Petulant child
I have suffered for you
Where you have never known me
I too must die
Will you be shadowed in the arrogance of my death?
Your valley truth
What light pass those pious heights?
What passing bells for these in their trucks?
For you lord.
You are the flag-bearer of these nations
One against the other that die in the mud
No piety. No deity
Is that your forgiveness?
Saint. Martyr. Goat. Billy.
Forgive? Shit he forgives
He hangs upon his cross
In self-righteous judgment
Hangs in crucified delight
Nailed to the extend of His vision
His cross. His manhood. His violence. Guilt. Sin.
He would nail my body upon his cross
As if I might have waited for him in the garden
As if I might have perfumed His body
Washed those bloody feet
This woman that he seeks
Suicide visionary. Death reveller. Rake. Rapist.
Gravedigger. Earthmover. Lifefucker. Jesu.
You scooped the pits of Auschwitz
The soil of Treblinka is rich in your guilt
The sorrow of your tradition
Your stupid humility is the crown of thorn we all must wear.
For you. Ha. Master. Master of gore. Enigma. Stigma. Stigmata. Errata. Eraser.
The cross is the mast of our oppression.
You fly there, vain flag.
You carry it, wear it on your back, Lord. Your back.
Enola is your gaiety.
Suffer little children (to come unto me)
Suffer in that horror. Hirohorror. Hirrohiro. Hiroshimmer. Shimmerhiro.
Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima.
The bodies are your delight
The incandescent flame is the spirit of it
They come to you Jesu. To you
The nails are the only trinity
Hold them in your corpsey gracelessness
The image that I have had to suffer
These nails at my temple
The cross is the virgin body of womanhood
That you defile
In your guilt you turn your back
Nailed to that body
Lame-arse Jesus calls me sister
There are no words for my contempt
Every woman is a cross in his filthy theology
He turns His back on me in His fear
His vain delight is that pain I bear
Alone He hangs. His choice. His choice
Alone. Alone. His voice. His voice
He shares nothing, this Christ
Sterile. Impotent. Fucklove prophet of death
He's the ultimate pornography
He. He. Hear us Jesus
You sigh alone in your cockfear
You lie alone in your cuntfear.
You cry alone in your womanfear.
You die alone in you manfear.
Alone Jesu, alone
In your cockfear. Cuntfear. Womanfear. Manfear.
Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear.
Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear.
Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare.
Jesus died for his own sins. Not mine.

[Cyber Utopia]

Well, by christian standards, I would indeed be a sinner. However, I don't judge myself by christian standards. I judge myself by MY standards, which supercede the standards of a god that I don't believe in. How can I not be a christian? Simple. I choose not to align myself to a faith. I choose to believe in what I can assume beyond all reasonable doubt to be real. I don't believe there is an afterlife, or a god, as I have not witnessed them nor spoke to witnesses. So no matter how much christianity says I sin, I'm going to end up the same as every other person on earth. Dead. Either worm food or a contribution to the contents of an urn.
On a side note, are you saying that christians have been around forever? Before Christ, surely nobody was a christian, seeing as the bloke who the religion is named after wasn't even around. Why does it follow that after Christ, everybody is a christian? Your logic escapes me, I'm afraid.

[Treznor]

Fine. I challenge you to believe that the Moon is a paper mache facade to hide the alien observatory where they check on our numbers before harvest. Let me know when this belief is as deeply embedded in your worldview as belief in invisible gods are for others.

I do not believe that, because I do not will it, but I possess all the necessary tools and faculties which provide an ability to believe it. I could chose to lie, and say I believe it... but the choice is the lie, because I still will not believe it, I merely will say I that I believe it, which isn't what I really will in connection with the belief itself.

I call bullshit. If you really possess the ability to force yourself to believe a lie, then demonstrate it. Else be known a liar yourself.

[Tekania]

Fine. I challenge you to believe that the Moon is a paper mache facade to hide the alien observatory where they check on our numbers before harvest. Let me know when this belief is as deeply embedded in your worldview as belief in invisible gods are for others.

I do not believe that, because I do not will it, but I possess all the necessary tools and faculties which provide an ability to believe it. I could chose to lie, and say I believe it... but the choice is the lie, because I still will not believe it, I merely will say I that I believe it, which isn't what I really will in connection with the belief itself.

I call bullshit. If you really possess the ability to force yourself to believe a lie, then demonstrate it. Else be known a liar yourself.

Except in the case of the general concept of "God" you cannot attribute it as a lie. Not without jumping to a conclusion in the absence of evidence. Herein lies the crutch. By will you have chosen to consider it a lie; and therefore make your further choices based on those criteria in a perfect exercise of your will's freedom agency. You simply discount this and attempt to masquerade this free-agency behind a false sense of inability because by nature you're an intolerant prick.

[Treznor]

Fine. I challenge you to believe that the Moon is a paper mache facade to hide the alien observatory where they check on our numbers before harvest. Let me know when this belief is as deeply embedded in your worldview as belief in invisible gods are for others.

I do not believe that, because I do not will it, but I possess all the necessary tools and faculties which provide an ability to believe it. I could chose to lie, and say I believe it... but the choice is the lie, because I still will not believe it, I merely will say I that I believe it, which isn't what I really will in connection with the belief itself.

I call bullshit. If you really possess the ability to force yourself to believe a lie, then demonstrate it. Else be known a liar yourself.

Except in the case of the general concept of "God" you cannot attribute it as a lie. Not without jumping to a conclusion in the absence of evidence. Herein lies the crutch. By will you have chosen to consider it a lie; and therefore make your further choices based on those criteria in a perfect exercise of your will's freedom agency. You simply discount this and attempt to masquerade this free-agency behind a false sense of inability because by nature you're an intolerant prick.

Nor can you attribute the moon's composition as paper mache as a lie. Have you been there? Have you touched it? Have you delved beneath the surface to analyze it's composition? Then don't tell me what you don't know is a lie either.

[Kayliea]

[Acycia]

WAIT A DAMN SECOND!?

there's no such thing as faeries!?
But i've seen them with my own eyes!
(but then again i was a' trippin balls on psilocybin)

sort of reminds me of the salem witch trials, when they were all consuming bad grain and getting ergot poisoning ( a key element in LSD ) and blaming things on the devil and each other as witches.
heh






So no one is going to argue my god is a monkey in space theory?

[Acycia]

& just face it, Humans are too intelligent now-a-days to believe in the bullshit known as religion.
those who are still trapped in it's snakey grasp are known to the public as 'retards' or those with an IQ below 70.

[Xanthal]

Most criminals in the U.S. are Christians. True story. >.> *flee*

[Bavungria]

I am no feeble Christ, not me
He hangs in glib delight upon his cross, upon his cross,
Above my body, lowly me
Christ forgive, forgive?
Holy He, He holy, He holy?
Shit He forgives, Forgive? Forgive?
I? I? Me? I? I vomit for you Jesu
Christy Christus
Puke upon your papal throne
Wrapped I am in the muddy cloud
Of hellish genocide
Petulant child
I have suffered for you
Where you have never known me
I too must die
Will you be shadowed in the arrogance of my death?
Your valley truth
What light pass those pious heights?
What passing bells for these in their trucks?
For you lord.
You are the flag-bearer of these nations
One against the other that die in the mud
No piety. No deity
Is that your forgiveness?
Saint. Martyr. Goat. Billy.
Forgive? Shit he forgives
He hangs upon his cross
In self-righteous judgment
Hangs in crucified delight
Nailed to the extend of His vision
His cross. His manhood. His violence. Guilt. Sin.
He would nail my body upon his cross
As if I might have waited for him in the garden
As if I might have perfumed His body
Washed those bloody feet
This woman that he seeks
Suicide visionary. Death reveller. Rake. Rapist.
Gravedigger. Earthmover. Lifefucker. Jesu.
You scooped the pits of Auschwitz
The soil of Treblinka is rich in your guilt
The sorrow of your tradition
Your stupid humility is the crown of thorn we all must wear.
For you. Ha. Master. Master of gore. Enigma. Stigma. Stigmata. Errata. Eraser.
The cross is the mast of our oppression.
You fly there, vain flag.
You carry it, wear it on your back, Lord. Your back.
Enola is your gaiety.
Suffer little children (to come unto me)
Suffer in that horror. Hirohorror. Hirrohiro. Hiroshimmer. Shimmerhiro.
Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima.
The bodies are your delight
The incandescent flame is the spirit of it
They come to you Jesu. To you
The nails are the only trinity
Hold them in your corpsey gracelessness
The image that I have had to suffer
These nails at my temple
The cross is the virgin body of womanhood
That you defile
In your guilt you turn your back
Nailed to that body
Lame-arse Jesus calls me sister
There are no words for my contempt
Every woman is a cross in his filthy theology
He turns His back on me in His fear
His vain delight is that pain I bear
Alone He hangs. His choice. His choice
Alone. Alone. His voice. His voice
He shares nothing, this Christ
Sterile. Impotent. Fucklove prophet of death
He's the ultimate pornography
He. He. Hear us Jesus
You sigh alone in your cockfear
You lie alone in your cuntfear.
You cry alone in your womanfear.
You die alone in you manfear.
Alone Jesu, alone
In your cockfear. Cuntfear. Womanfear. Manfear.
Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear.
Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear.
Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare.
Jesus died for his own sins. Not mine.

who originally wrote this ?

[Farnhamia]

I am no feeble Christ, not me
He hangs in glib delight upon his cross, upon his cross,
Above my body, lowly me
Christ forgive, forgive?
Holy He, He holy, He holy?
Shit He forgives, Forgive? Forgive?
I? I? Me? I? I vomit for you Jesu
Christy Christus
Puke upon your papal throne
Wrapped I am in the muddy cloud
Of hellish genocide
Petulant child
I have suffered for you
Where you have never known me
I too must die
Will you be shadowed in the arrogance of my death?
Your valley truth
What light pass those pious heights?
What passing bells for these in their trucks?
For you lord.
You are the flag-bearer of these nations
One against the other that die in the mud
No piety. No deity
Is that your forgiveness?
Saint. Martyr. Goat. Billy.
Forgive? Shit he forgives
He hangs upon his cross
In self-righteous judgment
Hangs in crucified delight
Nailed to the extend of His vision
His cross. His manhood. His violence. Guilt. Sin.
He would nail my body upon his cross
As if I might have waited for him in the garden
As if I might have perfumed His body
Washed those bloody feet
This woman that he seeks
Suicide visionary. Death reveller. Rake. Rapist.
Gravedigger. Earthmover. Lifefucker. Jesu.
You scooped the pits of Auschwitz
The soil of Treblinka is rich in your guilt
The sorrow of your tradition
Your stupid humility is the crown of thorn we all must wear.
For you. Ha. Master. Master of gore. Enigma. Stigma. Stigmata. Errata. Eraser.
The cross is the mast of our oppression.
You fly there, vain flag.
You carry it, wear it on your back, Lord. Your back.
Enola is your gaiety.
Suffer little children (to come unto me)
Suffer in that horror. Hirohorror. Hirrohiro. Hiroshimmer. Shimmerhiro.
Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima. Hiroshima.
The bodies are your delight
The incandescent flame is the spirit of it
They come to you Jesu. To you
The nails are the only trinity
Hold them in your corpsey gracelessness
The image that I have had to suffer
These nails at my temple
The cross is the virgin body of womanhood
That you defile
In your guilt you turn your back
Nailed to that body
Lame-arse Jesus calls me sister
There are no words for my contempt
Every woman is a cross in his filthy theology
He turns His back on me in His fear
His vain delight is that pain I bear
Alone He hangs. His choice. His choice
Alone. Alone. His voice. His voice
He shares nothing, this Christ
Sterile. Impotent. Fucklove prophet of death
He's the ultimate pornography
He. He. Hear us Jesus
You sigh alone in your cockfear
You lie alone in your cuntfear.
You cry alone in your womanfear.
You die alone in you manfear.
Alone Jesu, alone
In your cockfear. Cuntfear. Womanfear. Manfear.
Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear. Alone in your fear.
Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear. Your fear.
Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare. Warfare.
Jesus died for his own sins. Not mine.

who originally wrote this ?

Here.

[Grave_n_idle]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

Those are the ones who speak loudest to the press and vote for politicians to do precisely that. Seems to me you've got a bit of housecleaning to do.

So do the militant atheists.

Like Dawkins? Fuck that. They're right on the money.

Gotta say I agree and frankly it seems the label "militant atheist" gets tossed at anyone who
a) admits to be atheist
and B) criticize religion in the same way that one would criticize a political statement.
whereas a Religious person can only be labeled extremist after they actually try to kill someone. .. .anyone seeing a disconnect here?

Hi, I don't believe in god and...

Aaaargh! Militant Atheist! Stop oppressing me!

[Treznor]

Hi, I don't believe in god and...

Aaaargh! Militant Atheist! Stop oppressing me!

Bloody peasant!

See now the violence inherent in the system?

[Grave_n_idle]

i know i shouldn't let this raise my blood pressure, but what really gets under my skin is when "christians" and "athiests" just assume nothing but one or the other could possibly exist, like they were the only two people in the room. like HELLO in there.

ever consider the possibility of there being a god who's getting damd tired of that whinge?

That doesn't even make sense.

Atheists aren't at war with the Christian god. He doesn't get any special attention - but you're more likely to hear a discussion involving the Christian god because of the abundance of Christians.

[Tharra]

My question is how can you not be christian. People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin. Also people say why doesnt god just show himself and my answer to that is Faith. What use what it be if god just showed himself to everyone and then everyone just switched to christian, God wants people who have faith and are loyal not people who see him and then suddenly believe. Also Athiest who dont belive in god explain to me about ghosts then? Dont say thier not real either because my dad and stepmother have both seen demons, and if you want to know about it i would be more than happy to explain.

Also people who belive Obama is the Anti-Christ, I can see this to some point because in the bible it says that the Anti-Christ will try to make peace wiht everyone and be a nice handsome smooth talker whihc obama is so yes i can see obama being the anti-christ. But i wouldnt freak out about it because if your saved then you will go to heaven. just like 2012 why freak out when you will be going to a better place thats why i think the people who freak out about it are the ones who are worried because they no about the sins they have committed.


Also all of these different religons like catholics, prodestants and judism and all the others i think are in my opinion are not needed because all you have to do is belive in god and the virgin marry and that jesus gave his sins for us, also god didnt make religon, humans made religon in thier own way that they seen fit. For example reilgon is formed like a club and then one day a member form that club doesnt like the ideas of it so then they go and make thier own club meaning religon. But really all you have to do is belive in virgin marry, jesus sacrifice and belive in god as your heavenly father and you will go to heaven.

Im not a perfect christian, no one is infact ive had my doubts but after talking wiht my Step Mom and my Dad and thinking about the miracles that have happened to me i do belive there is a god and thats called faith. So please anyone is welcome to comment but do not argue or make stupid comments or make fun of anyones religon. This is meant to be a discussion not a argument about which religon is better or calling someone stupid because of thier beliefs.

Ok, I am a Christian but actually I find this pretty funny. How can someone not be a Christian? Well obviously because they have free will. This is something we have been granted by god. 1) Atheists *choose* not to believe in god. This is a perfectly rational stance to take in lieu of concrete proof, albeit not my own. 2) You seem to neglect or are seemingly unaware of the existence of religions other than Christianity ... These ppl. do believe in god (and in some cases gods). They are also just ppl. like us who are (usually) simply trying their best to do right by god as they understand him (or her). ...even the f*cking crazy ones. 3) Religion was made by man but god was not ... I believe it's the truth that matters not which faith you profess. God will know the truth of what is in your heart. 4) Belief in jesus' sacrifice is not enough... one should sincerely try to follow the 10 commandments, remain true to the teachings of Jesus and generally try to be a good person and to do good in the world... ultimately no one is perfect however and it's through god's mercy that we may go to heaven. Simply professing faith in Christ should not be enough... but ultimately it's up to god to decide who does and does not get to go to heaven.

My 2 ct.

If more Christians were like you, FreeSatania, the world would be a better place

[Grave_n_idle]

Hi, I don't believe in god and...

Aaaargh! Militant Atheist! Stop oppressing me!

Bloody peasant!

See now the violence inherent in the system?

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

[Grave_n_idle]

She then CLAIMED the serpent decieved her, but she was a lying bitch. God (oh how just he is) then punished the serpent for a crime he did not commit (and god being omniscient presumably knew this).

The serpent DID deceive her, since the serpent provided information which was not true.

Like ?

"Ye shall not surely die"

Which is true.

They could have eaten the fruit of the other tree, and become as gods.

So, the serpent told the truth.