How can you not be christian?

[Namabia]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 1:18

"For it is written,
'I will destroy this wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' "

1 Corinithians 1:19

[Redwulf]

How can I not be Christian?

Because I'm Asatruar. Stronger gods, fits better, feels right.

See you say gods explain to me how you can belive that there are a number of gods?

How can you believe there is only one? Look around. If you believe the world was in fact designed then how can you not think that it must have been designed by committee?

[Tekania]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

[Tekania]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

[Treznor]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 1:18

"For it is written,
'I will destroy this wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' "

1 Corinithians 1:19

Awfully convenient, don't you think? It doesn't matter that it can't be proven, because it's designed that way! Takes me back to the story of the Dragon in my Garage.

[The Alma Mater]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

Yes he was. He misrepresented the effect of the fruit and neglected to mention its most important trait.

[Indigo Penguin]

I want to ask the OP why the book of Thomas is not in the New Testament. Shouldn't EVERY account of Jesus's life be in there.


grrr...this is why I dont believe in religions based on books

[Treznor]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

[Tekania]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

There was no "lie" on God part.

[Greater Entrina]

Im not christian because i dont want to be. it is partly because i have sinned and partly because i just dont like the idea of placing my faith in god. i have my faith in my girlfriend megan who i love so much.

also i dont belive in ghosts and nobody has seen them.

I want to ask the OP why the book of Thomas is not in the New Testament. Shouldn't EVERY account of Jesus's life be in there.


grrr...this is why I dont believe in religions based on books

I belive in books more than i bleive in myself

[Treznor]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

There was no "lie" on God part.

Far be it from me to dispute your authority on the matter, but frankly, I don't buy it. You're going to have to do better than "did not!"

[Farnhamia]

I want to ask the OP why the book of Thomas is not in the New Testament. Shouldn't EVERY account of Jesus's life be in there.


grrr...this is why I dont believe in religions based on books

Kind of hard to avoid religious books when people's lifetimes are finite.

[The Alma Mater]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

^ I think ya'll are taking the death phrase a bit to literally. There are more types ofdeath that a physical one.

True.

But tell me.. given the choice... which will you pick ?

A. Living in perpetual bliss, with no understanding of the world, consequences, responsibilties and so on. In essence a child forever.
B. Living with ups and downs, knowing hardship and sorrow as well as joy. Being born a child, but dying a (wo-)man.

[Treznor]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

^ I think ya'll are taking the death phrase a bit to literally. There are more types ofdeath that a physical one.

Perhaps, but this is yet another area where the Bible is suspiciously ambiguous with regard to the subject matter. I still hold that an omnipotent, omniscient being would have a vested interest in making sure the message was clear, if not the evidence for it.

[Tekania]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

Yes he was. He misrepresented the effect of the fruit and neglected to mention its most important trait.

I see the problem, you don't know what "deceptive" means.

[The Alma Mater]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

Yes he was. He misrepresented the effect of the fruit and neglected to mention its most important trait.

I see the problem, you don't know what "deceptive" means.

Sure I do. God behaved like Fox News.

[Tekania]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

^ I think ya'll are taking the death phrase a bit to literally. There are more types ofdeath that a physical one.

Perhaps, but this is yet another area where the Bible is suspiciously ambiguous with regard to the subject matter. I still hold that an omnipotent, omniscient being would have a vested interest in making sure the message was clear, if not the evidence for it.

Are you omnipotent/omniscient?

[Namabia]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 1:18

"For it is written,
'I will destroy this wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' "

1 Corinithians 1:19

Awfully convenient, don't you think? It doesn't matter that it can't be proven, because it's designed that way! Takes me back to the story of the Dragon in my Garage.

Phlippians 3:1-11. This is kinda like my version of what you just said.

[Treznor]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

Ultimately, yes. The lie resides in the fact that they didn't die shortly after.

^ I think ya'll are taking the death phrase a bit to literally. There are more types ofdeath that a physical one.

Perhaps, but this is yet another area where the Bible is suspiciously ambiguous with regard to the subject matter. I still hold that an omnipotent, omniscient being would have a vested interest in making sure the message was clear, if not the evidence for it.

Are you omnipotent/omniscient?

Even in my decided lack of omnipotence and omniscience (an admission that pains more than you'll ever know) I can imagine ways to offset the pitfalls described in the book of Genesis. The very first thing that comes to mind is changing the rules so knowledge doesn't confer certain (if delayed) death. If I could imagine ways to ensure the message stayed up to date and relevant, I can't help but believe that a truly omnipotent and omniscient being could do far, far better than what we see today.

[Treznor]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 1:18

"For it is written,
'I will destroy this wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' "

1 Corinithians 1:19

Awfully convenient, don't you think? It doesn't matter that it can't be proven, because it's designed that way! Takes me back to the story of the Dragon in my Garage.

Phlippians 3:1-11. This is kinda like my version of what you just said.

A non sequitur says what?

[Farnhamia]

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 1:18

"For it is written,
'I will destroy this wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' "

1 Corinithians 1:19

Awfully convenient, don't you think? It doesn't matter that it can't be proven, because it's designed that way! Takes me back to the story of the Dragon in my Garage.

Phlippians 3:1-11. This is kinda like my version of what you just said.

1Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you.
2Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh. 3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If anyone else thinks he has reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.

7But whatever was to my profit I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8What is more, I consider everything a loss compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith. 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead.

Huh?

[Manango]

How can I not be Christian?

Because I'm Asatruar. Stronger gods, fits better, feels right.

See you say gods explain to me how you can belive that there are a number of gods?

How can you believe there is only one? Look around. If you believe the world was in fact designed then how can you not think that it must have been designed by committee?

When I look in the mirror, I know that it was designed by a spastic.

Also I am not Christian. There were no christians as I was growing up, so to me it just seems like people taking brer rabbit stories as truth.

I simply don't understand why god doesn't come down here and just tell us to be christian. You Christians believe in Jesus right? Walking on water, coming back from the grave, healing the sick, curing lepers and the blind, turning water in to wine and making infinite fish and chips from a single goldfish. Why the hell did he do this if not to prove that he was magic? What could possibly be stopping him from coming here and doing the same. Why does God all of a sudden worry about faith when 2000 years ago he was impregnating virgins telepathically?

[Tekania]

He provided information which was not 100% accurate for the purpose of getting her to engage in actions which were damaging to her in a manner which can be nothing else but intentional on his part... there is a word for this called "disinformation", and it's a form of deceit.

But how is his "deception" more worthy of condemnation than Gods ?

Because God wasn't deceptive.

Yes he was. He misrepresented the effect of the fruit and neglected to mention its most important trait.

I see the problem, you don't know what "deceptive" means.

Sure I do. God behaved like Fox News.

For something to be deceptive it has to be made with the intent to cause damage.

[Person012345]

Not entirely.

Yes, entirely... He told them they would not die... which is not true... because the result WAS THEIR DEATH.

No it wasn't, the result was a long life.

Most likely, had they gone on, god would have killed them before then anyway. God loves to kill. Satan did not lie. He said that the penalty would not surely be death and it wasn't. The penalty was expulsion from the garden, hard to work land and painful child bearing.

[The Alma Mater]

For something to be deceptive it has to be made with the intent to cause damage.

de·cep·tive
   /dɪˈsɛptɪv/ Show Spelled[dih-sep-tiv] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
apt or tending to deceive: The enemy's peaceful overtures may be deceptive.
2.
perceptually misleading: It looks like a curved line, but it's deceptive.


de·ceive
   /dɪˈsiv/ Show Spelled [dih-seev] Show IPA verb,-ceived, -ceiv·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to mislead by a false appearance or statement; delude: They deceived the enemy by disguising the destroyer as a freighter.
2.
to be unfaithful to (one's spouse or lover).
3.
Archaic. to while away (time).
–verb (used without object)
4.
to mislead or falsely persuade others; practice deceit: an engaging manner that easily deceives.


Sorry, which dictionary are you using ?