How can you not be christian?

[Tunizcha]

Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.

Wow. That is really, really old.
You have some insane memory, Nana.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.

Wow. That is really, really old.
You have some insane memory, Nana.

Tuni, my memory sucks. I just copied that from Dyakovo's siggy.

[Greater Teutony]

There are two types of Christians; intelligent ones and retarded ones. The former have realized arguing about faith is pointless since it's just that - faith. The latter feel the need to press their religion on everyone else.

The same applies to Atheists.

This thread is basically a fail.

[Grave_n_idle]

We don't... We cast our lot on whats afterward.

The specifics don't interest me - I just wanted to draw your attention to how easy it is to make up claims about what other people believe.

[Grave_n_idle]

Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.

Wow. That is really, really old.
You have some insane memory, Nana.

Tuni, my memory sucks. I just copied that from Dyakovo's siggy.

Thanks for the recognition.

You actually had one of mine (on a similar subject, I think) in your own sig for a while, although I think it was maybe under one of my other account names...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.

Wow. That is really, really old.
You have some insane memory, Nana.

Tuni, my memory sucks. I just copied that from Dyakovo's siggy.

Thanks for the recognition.

You actually had one of mine (on a similar subject, I think) in your own sig for a while, although I think it was maybe under one of my other account names...

*waves cane* Don't make me search my memory for the long ago, punk. I'm old.

You have been sigged by men a few times, that I do recall.

[Boreal Tundra UN Admin]

Many Athiests are as such because they fear a divine being. Its not that they are dumb, they just fear it.

If they fear a divine being, they cannot be atheists. They might be maltheists but, they would definitely be theists.

I think many "christians" these days are not at all what they say they are. I think the people on the TV screens and some people here just say it cuz thats what brings them money or support.

Until such time as we can determine a persons true thoughts, I'll have to go with their assertion that they are christians (or whatever form of theist they claim to be) short of specifically and explicitly refuting their own faith. E.G. A christian claiming jesus was the son of satan.

I believe that real christians follow the Bible ALL OF THE BIBLE.

Having read the bible and understanding the impossibility of following all of it, I must assume either you are lying (possibly through ignorance of the bible) or that you in fact do not believe christians exist and your claim to be one was false.

Sorry if that sounds harsh but, even the various ministers and pasters I've discussed this with have admitted that it is impossible to follow the bible as written due to this.

To the athiests: I wish you can find what you seek

Thanks, the journey of life is what I seek and I find it every day.

To the "christians": I wish you can come clean

hmm or ...

To the faithful: I hope you can find the right words to say and not attack someone but defend your faith actively. Don't jam it down people's throats but give them what you believe and no more, no less.

That's almost a biblical contradiction. One cannot defend ones faith actively if one only gives what they believe. What your beliefs are is unimportant unless you can explain why you have them in a rational manner.

[United Marktoria]

-snip-

Many of your accusations are based on false generalities.

[Boreal Tundra UN Admin]

Many Athiests are as such because they fear a divine being. Its not that they are dumb, they just fear it.

Many Christians are as such because they fear a world where there isn't some ever-forgiving daddy to save them from harsh reality. It's not that they are dumb, they just fear it.


Right?

We don't value this world at all. Why would you fear something that you know is going to give you pain. We don't fear this world, we just don't believe in it. We cast our lot on whats afterward.

I think you missed Grave's point but, the logic of your response escapes me.

Why would you not fear that which gives you pain (unless you're a masochist?) Following your logic to it's logical conclusion shows no value for life, something obviously not consistent with your actions (otherwise why do christians live and breed?)

Your entire statement is a contradiction with itself and the evidence and while Grave may have been tongue-in-cheek, his statement rings far truer with the vast majority of christians I've met.

[Geniasis]

We don't value this world at all. Why would you fear something that you know is going to give you pain. We don't fear this world, we just don't believe in it. We cast our lot on whats afterward.

That's not true. Fallen or not, we were still called to be stewards of this Earth. We're supposed to put our hope in tomorrow, but that still doesn't mean we get to slack off today.

Maybe that's part of the reason why my brother can be so shitty: they've forgotten we have a day job too.

[North Calaveras]

funny how so many christians, and for that many many religous groups preach tolerance, acceptance, peace......they forget to mention that when it comes its under there banner and there rules.

[Treznor]

did you ever stop to think that the kids that starve and die or die of cancer and other diseases are going to a better place rather than continueing to live on this horrible earth.

You've just given an argument for why we shouldn't bother to help anyone who is suffering or dying: because they're going to a better place. Why make anything better since there's already something better than anything we could make waiting for us? We just have to die to get there. Kinda makes you wonder why more Christians don't contemplate suicide.

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

Also god isnt to blame for natural disastors or diseas thats the work of satan.

Gonna need a source for that one. That's not even supported by scripture. Here's one that is: "The Lord rains on the just and the unjust."

And your probably thinking well why would jesus allow a christian to be killed well think about it that christian who is going to get killed is going to a better place.

That's quite a suicide cult you're proposing here.

Also satan has free roam on earth thats wh ythings are the way they are since adam and ever bit the apple they allowed satan to have acess to the world. But if they wouldnt have bitten the apple then earht would be like heaven.

Also not supported by scripture. The only thing that was "like heaven" was the alleged Garden of Eden. Once Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden, they were forced to make food by the sweat of their labor. They were always on the Earth, meaning that the entire Earth was not like Heaven.

[The PeoplesFreedom]

lolz, the misconceptions about Christianity are all over this thread.

[Geniasis]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

[Treznor]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

In disagreement with the OP.

[The PeoplesFreedom]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

[Treznor]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

Those are the ones who speak loudest to the press and vote for politicians to do precisely that. Seems to me you've got a bit of housecleaning to do.

[ILYLOL]

I'm atheist (or rather agnostic I guess) simply because there is no proof of God as far as I am aware, and since Christianity is a faith -and proof denies faith- then there cannot ever be proof of Gods existence (in my own humble opinion). If there was ever any proof of Gods existence, then Christianity would no longer be considered a faith, but rather fact...

I am sad to call you my father.

[The PeoplesFreedom]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

Those are the ones who speak loudest to the press and vote for politicians to do precisely that. Seems to me you've got a bit of housecleaning to do.

So do the militant atheists.

[Geniasis]

In disagreement with the OP.

Hard as it might be, I think I can find a way to live with that.

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

That's hardly true. All are welcome in God's kingdom.

Except the Dutch. Fuck 'em.

[Omono]

Here's a crazy thought: Christians don't care if the world suffers and dies because they're looking to the next life. Atheists care about making the world better, because it's the only one we've got. Which is the more moral position?

I'm a Christian who cares about making the world better because I have a responsibility to creation and to my fellow man. So.. where the hell does that put me?

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

You forgot that those Christians also want people to believe that when a major disaster accours....that is was the wraith of God due to people sins......but when that disaster is adverted....its God's mercy.........

I dont know but it sounds like GOd or Jesus or Allah has sick sense of humor.

[The PeoplesFreedom]

In disagreement with the OP.

Hard as it might be, I think I can find a way to live with that.

You see, those kind of Christians don't exist. We only want to hate gays and force our views on other people!

That's hardly true. All are welcome in God's kingdom.

Except the Dutch. Fuck 'em.

Don't you mean the French?

[Geniasis]

Nope. The French have insanely hot women and delicious baked goods with butter that doesn't kill you.

The Dutch have shoes... made of wood. And windmills. Whoo-fucking-hoo.

[Omono]

Nope. The French have insanely hot women and delicious baked goods with butter that doesn't kill you.

The Dutch have shoes... made of wood. And windmills. Whoo-fucking-hoo.

The Dutch also have weed.......while the French do have hot women........but Belgium has both...........

[New Caldaris]

My question is how can you not be christian. People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin. Also people say why doesnt god just show himself and my answer to that is Faith. What use what it be if god just showed himself to everyone and then everyone just switched to christian, God wants people who have faith and are loyal not people who see him and then suddenly believe. Also Athiest who dont belive in god explain to me about ghosts then? Dont say thier not real either because my dad and stepmother have both seen demons, and if you want to know about it i would be more than happy to explain.

Also people who belive Obama is the Anti-Christ, I can see this to some point because in the bible it says that the Anti-Christ will try to make peace wiht everyone and be a nice handsome smooth talker whihc obama is so yes i can see obama being the anti-christ. But i wouldnt freak out about it because if your saved then you will go to heaven. just like 2012 why freak out when you will be going to a better place thats why i think the people who freak out about it are the ones who are worried because they no about the sins they have committed.


Also all of these different religons like catholics, prodestants and judism and all the others i think are in my opinion are not needed because all you have to do is belive in god and the virgin marry and that jesus gave his sins for us, also god didnt make religon, humans made religon in thier own way that they seen fit. For example reilgon is formed like a club and then one day a member form that club doesnt like the ideas of it so then they go and make thier own club meaning religon. But really all you have to do is belive in virgin marry, jesus sacrifice and belive in god as your heavenly father and you will go to heaven.

Im not a perfect christian, no one is infact ive had my doubts but after talking wiht my Step Mom and my Dad and thinking about the miracles that have happened to me i do belive there is a god and thats called faith. So please anyone is welcome to comment but do not argue or make stupid comments or make fun of anyones religon. This is meant to be a discussion not a argument about which religon is better or calling someone stupid because of thier beliefs.

There are so many things wrong with what you said but i will stick to only pointing a few of them out

You say athiests choose not to believe in god or be catholic so that they can get away with stuff. So are you saying that because someone doesn't blindly worship something that some people made up some 2 thousand years ago that means that they have no morals?
Also the same could be said as to why you believe in catholicism. By your logic i (as an athiest/agnostic) could say that you only believe in catholicism so that when you do something bad you can justify/get away with it by "praying for forgiveness".

Also i laugh at your assumption that athiests don't believe in ghosts. Ghosts are not necessarily divine. I am agnostic and i believe ghosts are very real just maybe not exactly as humans percieve them.

For my last point i'd like to say i think your entire post and religion is stupid, ignorant, arrogant, and very hypocritical