How can you not be christian?

[Hemenster]

I am not a Christian but I would like to be

[Blitzkrenia]

i do belive there is a god and thats called faith

you believe that the belief of something without knowing if it is there is god itself? please elaborate on this

We know whom we have believed in, because we know. I mean, you can't ask someone"Why do you know how to sew?".

Because he/she learned to?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

i do belive there is a god and thats called faith

you believe that the belief of something without knowing if it is there is god itself? please elaborate on this

We know whom we have believed in, because we know. I mean, you can't ask someone"Why do you know how to sew?".

Because he/she learned to?

And we believed to.

[Self--Esteem]

I always find it amusing how Christians try to explain Atheists their own non-beliefs.

Like so:

People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin.

Isn't something like this the reason why Christians believe in a god? Atheists certainly don't choose the easy way out. That's not even arguable. The easy way would be to let others make a choice for you (see Christians).

[Darenjo]

there are alot of ways to not be christian:
Muslims believe that Muhammed was the true prophet, not Jesus
Jews believe that the Messiah still hasn't come yet
Hindus believe in thousands of goods and goddesses and do not believe in the Abrahamic relgions
Buddhists believe in either several gods or no god, rever Buddha
Chinese religions believe in ancestoral gods and simply have different philosophies
Animists/Pagans also believe in numerous gods, but isn't as complex as Hinduism
Sikhism is a blend of Hinduism and Islam
Shinto is the native Japanese religion

[Fnarr-fnarr]

My question is how can you not be christian. People who are athiest, I believe say there is no god as an excuse for them to get away wiht something they know is a sin. Also people say why doesnt god just show himself and my answer to that is Faith. What use what it be if god just showed himself to everyone and then everyone just switched to christian, God wants people who have faith and are loyal not people who see him and then suddenly believe. Also Athiest who dont belive in god explain to me about ghosts then? Dont say thier not real either because my dad and stepmother have both seen demons, and if you want to know about it i would be more than happy to explain.

Also people who belive Obama is the Anti-Christ, I can see this to some point because in the bible it says that the Anti-Christ will try to make peace wiht everyone and be a nice handsome smooth talker whihc obama is so yes i can see obama being the anti-christ. But i wouldnt freak out about it because if your saved then you will go to heaven. just like 2012 why freak out when you will be going to a better place thats why i think the people who freak out about it are the ones who are worried because they no about the sins they have committed.


Also all of these different religons like catholics, prodestants and judism and all the others i think are in my opinion are not needed because all you have to do is belive in god and the virgin marry and that jesus gave his sins for us, also god didnt make religon, humans made religon in thier own way that they seen fit. For example reilgon is formed like a club and then one day a member form that club doesnt like the ideas of it so then they go and make thier own club meaning religon. But really all you have to do is belive in virgin marry, jesus sacrifice and belive in god as your heavenly father and you will go to heaven.

Im not a perfect christian, no one is infact ive had my doubts but after talking wiht my Step Mom and my Dad and thinking about the miracles that have happened to me i do belive there is a god and thats called faith. So please anyone is welcome to comment but do not argue or make stupid comments or make fun of anyones religon. This is meant to be a discussion not a argument about which religon is better or calling someone stupid because of thier beliefs.

If your 'invisible friend' would like to prove to me that he exists, then I would probably be a christian. How can any sane person believe in something so obviously fanciful without proof (try googling 'invisible pink unicorn'). From your posting style I assume you are a child. As you age, you will acquire more and more knowledge on which to base your philosophy of life, in the meantime you will probably continue to believe whatever your parents tell you.
BTW The correct spelling is 'atheist' and not 'athiest', but don't worry, most chritisans seem to spell it that way.

[Ifreann]

If your 'invisible friend' would like to prove to me that he exists, then I would probably be a christian.

Really? I wouldn't.

[Fnarr-fnarr]

If your 'invisible friend' would like to prove to me that he exists, then I would probably be a christian.

Really? I wouldn't.

OK! I'll modify that statement:
If your 'invisible friend' would like to prove to me that he exists, then I would probably believe that either: 1. He existed or 2. (The most likely explanation), I was insane.
How's that?

[Balavoria]

agh, the simple truth is that everyone's different and not everyone wants to follow everyone else to believe the same thing.

it's for the same reason that a bunch of us like purple and another bunch despise it.

I honestly think Christianity itself is alright, it's the people who are IN it that make the difference. so far... it doesn't look good, most of the Christians I've met (at least the ones who actually say they are Christian) are very biased, intolerant, and homophobic. most of them also tend to believe everything that goes against Christianity is wrong without a second thought. I'm serious.

so call me biased for saying that, but honestly it's how it is where I am, I suggest the rest of the Christians be nicer and less pushy. that really irritates a lot of people.

as a side note, I am agnostic. I don't hate any religion, I judge people by people not religion, likes, dislikes, orientation, etc. I support gay rights, religious freedom, everything pretty much and I don't care if your wife's a sheep. thing is I don't pay attention to what religion people are until I know them well, then I have to remember it.

so there's a long reason why I'm not Christian. :I

[Blitzkrenia]

i do belive there is a god and thats called faith

you believe that the belief of something without knowing if it is there is god itself? please elaborate on this

We know whom we have believed in, because we know. I mean, you can't ask someone"Why do you know how to sew?".

Because he/she learned to?

And we believed to.

You believe because you know that you believe that God exists?

[Balavoria]

i do belive there is a god and thats called faith

you believe that the belief of something without knowing if it is there is god itself? please elaborate on this

We know whom we have believed in, because we know. I mean, you can't ask someone"Why do you know how to sew?".

Because he/she learned to?

And we believed to.

You believe because you know that you believe that God exists?

they believe because they know that they were taught to believe that God exists apparently.

[Batuni]

Free Will.

[Treznor]

i do belive there is a god and thats called faith

you believe that the belief of something without knowing if it is there is god itself? please elaborate on this

We know whom we have believed in, because we know. I mean, you can't ask someone"Why do you know how to sew?".

Because he/she learned to?

And we believed to.

So you're agreeing that faith is learned, just like sewing? Someone picks up a needle and thread and starts learning how to sew, just as someone listens to authority figures talking about gods and figures it's appropriate to believe like them? It would certainly explain religion as a cultural phenomenon.

[YDKJMF]

I can't be a Xian because there was no one to talk to me about their ideals.

[Novograd IV]

I honestly think Christianity itself is alright, it's the people who are IN it that make the difference. so far... it doesn't look good, most of the Christians I've met (at least the ones who actually say they are Christian) are very biased, intolerant, and homophobic. most of them also tend to believe everything that goes against Christianity is wrong without a second thought. I'm serious.

so call me biased for saying that, but honestly it's how it is where I am, I suggest the rest of the Christians be nicer and less pushy. that really irritates a lot of people.

this

i wonder how many agree

[Novograd IV]

do not argue. This is meant to be a discussion not a argument about which religon is better.

wait... what?
no sense at all

discussing (where two people have opposing views) = argument

[Station 12]

Here's my opinion.

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Christians- Stop thinking that atheists are terrified of god and running from sin and evil, or agents of Satan, and stop thinking that every single one of them hates you equally.

Everyone- Stop thinking that the perfectly logical conclusion that you arrived at is the only conclusion that is logical, and stop arguing over which logical conclusion is more logical. Believe what you want to believe and let others do the same.

tl;dr - Shut the fuck up about religion, these arguments do not lead anywhere except both sides thinking they've won when nothing has actually happened.

[Treznor]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

Everyone- Stop thinking that the perfectly logical conclusion that you arrived at is the only conclusion that is logical, and stop arguing over which logical conclusion is more logical. Believe what you want to believe and let others do the same.

I have no problem letting people believe what they want to believe. It's that I keep getting told my conclusions are wrong, sinful, et al and that I need to embrace faith and irrational thinking.

tl;dr - Shut the fuck up about religion, these arguments do not lead anywhere except both sides thinking they've won when nothing has actually happened.

Good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

[The Alma Mater]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

You mean the vulcanic eruption was not sufficient evidence ?
Clearly God is telling us to turn away from the Vatican, and to embrace Allah !

[Self--Esteem]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

You mean the vulcanic eruption was not sufficient evidence ?
Clearly God is telling us to turn away from the Vatican, and to embrace Allah !

Are you sure?

I think it's evidence that god ate too much beans.

[Station 12]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

I'm not going to justify a viewpoint that isn't mine. I will, however, point out that you don't actually have any proof that god doesn't exist.

[The Alma Mater]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

You mean the vulcanic eruption was not sufficient evidence ?
Clearly God is telling us to turn away from the Vatican, and to embrace Allah !

Are you sure?

I think it's evidence that god ate too much beans.

Heretic. She never eats anything but pineapple pizza, and pasta on saturdays.

[Treznor]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

I'm not going to justify a viewpoint that isn't mine. I will, however, point out that you don't actually have any proof that god doesn't exist.

Nor do I have proof that invisible pink unicorns don't exist. Do I have to prove that to you as well?

[Station 12]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

I'm not going to justify a viewpoint that isn't mine. I will, however, point out that you don't actually have any proof that god doesn't exist.

Nor do I have proof that invisible pink unicorns don't exist. Do I have to prove that to you as well?

Given that invisibility for something that large is impossible given current knowledge, I can use logic to say that it doesn't exist. Plus the fact that, we would've found a skeleton or droppings of an invisible pink unicorn, plus the fact that they'd make a noise, we'd know they exist even if we couldn't see them.

As for god, as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, he's not going to leave definite proof.

[Treznor]

Atheists- Stop pretending every Christian out there is an atheist hating caveman who believes the word of the lord, not because he came to a logical conclusion based on experiences in his own life, but because he's stupid and naive.

Fair enough, but in order to follow this I need Christians to stop proclaiming that this alleged "word of the lord" is the valid document they claim it is, or present verifiable evidence to that effect. Otherwise, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're naive and stupid.

I'm not going to justify a viewpoint that isn't mine. I will, however, point out that you don't actually have any proof that god doesn't exist.

Nor do I have proof that invisible pink unicorns don't exist. Do I have to prove that to you as well?

Given that invisibility for something that large is impossible given current knowledge, I can use logic to say that it doesn't exist. Plus the fact that, we would've found a skeleton or droppings of an invisible pink unicorn, plus the fact that they'd make a noise, we'd know they exist even if we couldn't see them.

As for god, as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient being, he's not going to leave definite proof.

And I give you Carl Sagan's immortal essay, The Dragon in My Garage.

I have little problem with people choosing to believe in omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient beings who choose not to leave definite proof, but unless they can actually produce the proof that the aforementioned being chooses not to provide, I reserve the right to the opinion that they're being naive and stupid.