California Women's March cancelled for being too white

[Des-Bal]

Wait, was it my premise that the organizing committee had to be a specific size?

Yes actually, that there are hard fast rules for the exact size of a planning committee in a small city was something you created and presented it as a stupid argument you could easily defeat.

The fact is they've decided on a number of leaders and the issue they seek to remedy is in the demographics and not the number of leaders. They're more likely to scratch people than expand.

[Settrah]

It may be for the best, because those women don't need to be out marching.

"If the man's world is said to be the State, his struggle, his readiness to devote his powers to the service of the community, then it may perhaps be said that the woman's is a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home."

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

I want to agree, and say that the attitudes to how men and women roles are seen in society, and the reaction to it's criticism, actually justifies feminism. However, people are free to choose their destiny (well I think so anyway), and the issue is that men have been historically taught to be ambitious, but woman have been historically taught to be domestic. But it's possible to rebel against that programming, and swap it around. But there is little you can do if a woman gets baby brain and chooses to stay at home. In that regard, she unintentionally made her world smaller.

I would actually encourage woman not to automatically do this, and to challenge this, and to make their world bigger.

Edit: Maybe the guy wants his world to be smaller instead, win win. People are all different, but I dislike it being grouped as 'gender vs gender'.

[Vassenor]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

I want to agree, and say that the attitudes to how men and women roles are seen in society, and the reaction to it's criticism, actually justifies feminism. However, people are free to choose their destiny (well I think so anyway), and the issue is that men have been historically taught to be ambitious, but woman have been historically taught to be domestic. But it's possible to rebel against that programming, and swap it around. But there is little you can do if a woman gets baby brain and chooses to stay at home. In that regard, she unintentionally made her world smaller.

I would actually encourage woman not to automatically do this, and to challenge this, and to make their world bigger.

The problem is the idea that every woman should be forced to do that "because that's what women are for" though.

[Cannot think of a name]

Wait, was it my premise that the organizing committee had to be a specific size?

Yes actually, that there are hard fast rules for the exact size of a planning committee in a small city was something you created and presented it as a stupid argument you could easily defeat.

The fact is they've decided on a number of leaders and the issue they seek to remedy is in the demographics and not the number of leaders. They're more likely to scratch people than expand.

Cool. Cool. So your assumption about how they'll structure their leadership despite no mention of it whatsoever in the source material is intractable an my questioning of this steadfast assuredness is just me projecting a conclusion I need to assume a premise I created about the make up of the planning committee that you brought up.

That tracks. Thanks.

[Settrah]

I want to agree, and say that the attitudes to how men and women roles are seen in society, and the reaction to it's criticism, actually justifies feminism. However, people are free to choose their destiny (well I think so anyway), and the issue is that men have been historically taught to be ambitious, but woman have been historically taught to be domestic. But it's possible to rebel against that programming, and swap it around. But there is little you can do if a woman gets baby brain and chooses to stay at home. In that regard, she unintentionally made her world smaller.

I would actually encourage woman not to automatically do this, and to challenge this, and to make their world bigger.

The problem is the idea that every woman should be forced to do that "because that's what women are for" though.

Exactly.

But it's about belonging and acceptance I think. To be a spinster or childless is frowned upon, almost taboo or abnormal, so it's like a rite of passage to have a child by a certain age. And unfortunately that age seems to be getting younger.

It's not even about happy families. It's literally wham bam baby daddy gone single mum before they hit 20.

You do get woman that challenge it though, and are more career driven. The baby stuff will come later. But they didn't purposely make their world smaller without realizing they had. And good on them.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I too enjoy fucking over one liberal movement because it’s not liberal enough

[Saiwania]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles. Women were or still are broadly speaking, better suited to all manner of child rearing than men are. Whilst men have served almost exclusively as the providers and protectors of society until recently.

Even though domestic chores and pursuits are treated with less respect than an actual career, a woman's place isn't meant to be inferior to that of the man's, but important in a different way. "But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives?"

[Cannot think of a name]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles.

I guess they haven't met a modern anthropologist.

[Xmara]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles. Women were or still are broadly speaking, better suited to all manner of child rearing than men are. Whilst men have served almost exclusively as the providers and protectors of society until recently.

Even though domestic chores and pursuits are treated with less respect than an actual career, a woman's place isn't meant to be inferior to that of the man's, but important in a different way. "But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives?"

I know plenty of women who work outside the home who are also able to take care of their kids. It’s possible for a woman to have a husband, kids, and a career and succeed at all three.

[Fartsniffage]

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles.

I guess they haven't met a modern anthropologist.

He kinda has a point. There is a reason women have better colour differentiation than men and men can deal with spatial reasoning better than women.

It has nothing to do with child rearing but there are differences.

[The South Falls]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles. Women were or still are broadly speaking, better suited to all manner of child rearing than men are. Whilst men have served almost exclusively as the providers and protectors of society until recently.

Even though domestic chores and pursuits are treated with less respect than an actual career, a woman's place isn't meant to be inferior to that of the man's, but important in a different way. "But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives?"

See, here's the bit you're missing, Sai. Women should not be forced to undergo domestic tasks for the sake of gender roles. Women could if they want to, but no one is and no one should be forcing them to do domestic tasks. If the man wants to do domestic tasks, then it's fine. If the woman wants to, it's fine. However, just consigning women to the roles you imagine they should be bound to is wrong.

[Stormwrath]

And this mentality is exactly why those marches need to happen.

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles. Women were or still are broadly speaking, better suited to all manner of child rearing than men are. Whilst men have served almost exclusively as the providers and protectors of society until recently.

Even though domestic chores and pursuits are treated with less respect than an actual career, a woman's place isn't meant to be inferior to that of the man's, but important in a different way. "But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives?"

You mean Complementarianism?

[Settrah]

I too enjoy fucking over one liberal movement because it’s not liberal enough

Honestly if various non moderate left wing groups actually sat down together, and evaluated each other's goals and endgame, they'd realize that they've actually all got very little in common, and actually probably unintentionally hinder each others progress.

[Xmara]

I too enjoy fucking over one liberal movement because it’s not liberal enough

Honestly if various non moderate left wing groups actually sat down together, and evaluated each other's goals and endgame, they'd realize that they've actually all got very little in common, and actually probably unintentionally hinder each others progress.

This

This so much

[Saiwania]

I know plenty of women who work outside the home who are also able to take care of their kids. It’s possible for a woman to have a husband, kids, and a career and succeed at all three.

How common is this really? If someone is overburdened with having to delve in both worlds, they're a master of neither. Lots of people would go back to how tradition dictates if given the choice. Unfortunately, our society has evolved towards families requiring two incomes or more to be able to afford less than what our ancestors had the previous century. Only the state of technology has improved, but not necessarily our social stability and material wellbeing, save for the wealthy.

[Des-Bal]

Cool. Cool. So your assumption about how they'll structure their leadership despite no mention of it whatsoever in the source material is intractable an my questioning of this steadfast assuredness is just me projecting a conclusion I need to assume a premise I created about the make up of the planning committee that you brought up.

That tracks. Thanks.

You're not "questioning steadfast assuredness" you're manufacturing steadfast assuredness and trying to convince me to hold it because this sarcastic sniping you're doing gets a lot harder when you aren't on both sides of the discussion.

[Cannot think of a name]

I guess they haven't met a modern anthropologist.

He kinda has a point. There is a reason women have better colour differentiation than men and men can deal with spatial reasoning better than women.

It has nothing to do with child rearing but there are differences.

Statistical differences aren't predictive of roles and not something that should be enforced or entrenched. Because of numerous pressures over time runners from Kenya have a statistical advantage to carry traits and an upbringing that favors long distance runners but we wouldn't say that Kenya should only make long distance runners, nor that no one can beet a Kenyan so all marathons should just be Kenyans, or that Kenya's success or failure as a nation is reliant on its focus as a nation that creates long distance runners.

In situations, I guess keeping with sports, where you're literally bringing the best in the world together physiological differences make co-ed competition imbalanced, while there are men more flexible than most women the most flexible in the world are going to be women and making men compete directly in a gymnastic competition would be difficult to judge because they'd either lose or both would have different judging criteria.

But the point that I isolated and the comment that goes with it reflects the idea that these gender roles have not been so hard and fast in early human gatherings and by and large are not reliant or predictive of a tribe's success in the march towards roads and playstations.

[Cannot think of a name]

Cool. Cool. So your assumption about how they'll structure their leadership despite no mention of it whatsoever in the source material is intractable an my questioning of this steadfast assuredness is just me projecting a conclusion I need to assume a premise I created about the make up of the planning committee that you brought up.

That tracks. Thanks.

You're not "questioning steadfast assuredness" you're manufacturing steadfast assuredness and trying to convince me to hold it because this sarcastic sniping you're doing gets a lot harder when you aren't on both sides of the discussion.

Okay, look. If you need it to be, you need it to be.

[Settrah]

The Traditionalist Conservative idea is that the success of our species is built upon complimentary gendered roles. Women were or still are broadly speaking, better suited to all manner of child rearing than men are. Whilst men have served almost exclusively as the providers and protectors of society until recently.

Even though domestic chores and pursuits are treated with less respect than an actual career, a woman's place isn't meant to be inferior to that of the man's, but important in a different way. "But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? How could the greater world survive if there were no one to make the cares of the smaller world the content of their lives?"

See, here's the bit you're missing, Sai. Women should not be forced to undergo domestic tasks for the sake of gender roles. Women could if they want to, but no one is and no one should be forcing them to do domestic tasks. If the man wants to do domestic tasks, then it's fine. If the woman wants to, it's fine. However, just consigning women to the roles you imagine they should be bound to is wrong.

Not for gender roles exactly, but I do believe society should play up to people's strengths. If it transpires that the woman is better at domestic tasks then yeah it makes sense for her to 'stay in the kitchen' if you will... but not because she's a woman.

[Xmara]

I know plenty of women who work outside the home who are also able to take care of their kids. It’s possible for a woman to have a husband, kids, and a career and succeed at all three.

How common is this really? If someone is overburdened with having to delve in both worlds, they're a master of neither. Lots of people would go back to how tradition dictates if given the choice. Unfortunately, our society has evolved towards families requiring two incomes or more to be able to afford less than what our ancestors had the previous century. Only the state of technology has improved, but not necessarily our social stability and material wellbeing, save for the wealthy.

It’s very common where I live.

As for me, I will have a career in forensic science when I finish college, and I also plan to have a husband and kids.

[The South Falls]

See, here's the bit you're missing, Sai. Women should not be forced to undergo domestic tasks for the sake of gender roles. Women could if they want to, but no one is and no one should be forcing them to do domestic tasks. If the man wants to do domestic tasks, then it's fine. If the woman wants to, it's fine. However, just consigning women to the roles you imagine they should be bound to is wrong.

Not for gender roles exactly, but I do believe society should play up to people's strengths. If it transpires that the woman is better at domestic tasks then yeah it makes sense for her to 'stay in the kitchen' if you will... but not because she's a woman.

Makes sense. There must be a case by case basis, though.

[Cannot think of a name]

How common is this really? If someone is overburdened with having to delve in both worlds, they're a master of neither. Lots of people would go back to how tradition dictates if given the choice. Unfortunately, our society has evolved towards families requiring two incomes or more to be able to afford less than what our ancestors had the previous century. Only the state of technology has improved, but not necessarily our social stability and material wellbeing, save for the wealthy.

It’s very common where I live.

As for me, I will have a career in forensic science when I finish college, and I also plan to have a husband and kids.

The stay at home mom is the exception around here as well. I don't know the statistics but at least anectdotally I...actually don't know any stay at home moms? Can't think of one at least. Though there is somewhat of a selection bias in that most the people I meet is through some sort of work or another so how would I meet them, but none of the people I know with kids are in that situation that I can think of at the moment.

[Xmara]

Not for gender roles exactly, but I do believe society should play up to people's strengths. If it transpires that the woman is better at domestic tasks then yeah it makes sense for her to 'stay in the kitchen' if you will... but not because she's a woman.

Makes sense. There must be a case by case basis, though.

I agree. If a woman wants to stay in the home, then she should have that choice. But she shouldn’t be forced to.

[Cannot think of a name]

Makes sense. There must be a case by case basis, though.

I agree. If a woman wants to stay in the home, then she should have that choice. But she shouldn’t be forced to.

Ideally we'd reach a point where the parents get together and decide if one of them wants to stay at home with the child while the other works instead presupposing who that person would be...which I'd argue we're getting closer to, for what it's worth.

[The South Falls]

Makes sense. There must be a case by case basis, though.

I agree. If a woman wants to stay in the home, then she should have that choice. But she shouldn’t be forced to.

Yea. You can't force a gender to get in the kitchen, forcing the man to work.