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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No government represents everyone.

But its designed to represent as many people as possible not a select few.


No it is not.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No government represents everyone.

But its designed to represent as many people as possible not a select few.

If two highly populated areas control the vast majority of the representatives, how does the government represent everyone?

This is the flaw of mass government, it can't be mitigated, there always has to be someone left behind without representation.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But its designed to represent as many people as possible not a select few.


No it is not.

Then who does it represent? And dont say not me because my party doesnt have the majority or the representatives are ought to get you. I'd like a actual argument from you other then mass conspiracy

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:17 pm

Yes... Brilliant. This is some serious sjw mind acrobatics logic. Farmers deserve disproportionate representation because they are rich in land wealth. People in the city should have less say because they are numerous.

Look in the US rural regions already get more representatives. This should be ended. That is what the Senate was made for. Honestly though this is blatently "reliably Republican regions should get weighted votes for being Republican!!1111!!1!!"
Whoever said "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink" has clearly never drown a horse.

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No government represents everyone.

But its designed to represent as many people as possible not a select few.

No it's not, it's supposed to represent everyone, which our government clearly does not do.
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Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
Ethics and morality are for the weak.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and tries to strip away your constitutional rights.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No it is not.

Then who does it represent? And dont say not me because my party doesnt have the majority or the representatives are ought to get you. I'd like a actual argument from you other then mass conspiracy


The existence of the Democrat party is a conspiracy?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:18 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But its designed to represent as many people as possible not a select few.

No it's not, it's supposed to represent everyone, which our government clearly does not do.


It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:19 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Yes... Brilliant. This is some serious sjw mind acrobatics logic. Farmers deserve disproportionate representation because they are rich in land wealth. People in the city should have less say because they are numerous.

Look in the US rural regions already get more representatives. This should be ended. That is what the Senate was made for. Honestly though this is blatently "reliably Republican regions should get weighted votes for being Republican!!1111!!1!!"


The subject is state governments, do address the actual conversation please.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it's not, it's supposed to represent everyone, which our government clearly does not do.


It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform

If it does represent everyone, why do you want to do away with current representation?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform

If it does represent everyone, why do you want to do away with current representation?


I dont want to do anyway with current representation

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it's not, it's supposed to represent everyone, which our government clearly does not do.


It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform


I'm curious why you thought that people from all those Muslim countries should be banned from entering the country.
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ANTI:
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-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If it does represent everyone, why do you want to do away with current representation?


I dont want to do anyway with current representation

Then why make this thread?
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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it's not, it's supposed to represent everyone, which our government clearly does not do.


It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform

No it doesn't, and you know that.

False.
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Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
Ethics and morality are for the weak.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and tries to strip away your constitutional rights.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:30 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It does. You are only calling for change because your candidates lose. I can guarantee if your candidates won you would not be calling for reform

No it doesn't, and you know that.

False.


Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it doesn't, and you know that.

False.


Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

Your condescending ignorance does you absolutely nothing for you.
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Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
Ethics and morality are for the weak.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and tries to strip away your constitutional rights.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:31 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

Your condescending ignorance does you absolutely nothing for you.


How is that condescending ignorance?

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it doesn't, and you know that.

False.


Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?


My governor does not represent me, as evidenced by him not having himself arrested.
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:No it doesn't, and you know that.

False.


Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

How can a man who has never even met me represent me?
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

How can a man who has never even met me represent me?


I mean, if he said what you want, I suppose he could.
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ANTI:
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-Government Overreach
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-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Does your Governor or mayor not represent you? Would it be fairer if the statewide elections where by who won the most counties?

How can a man who has never even met me represent me?

Why not a woman?

The governor is elected by the entire state.

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Postby Zex » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:36 pm

So I guess Trump represents everyone in America.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:How can a man who has never even met me represent me?

Why not a woman?

The governor is elected by the entire state.


Because his governor is a man?

No. the governor is elected by the faction of the state which achieves a voting majority.
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:38 pm

Zex wrote:So I guess Trump represents everyone in America.


Lumen wants to build the wall to keep them bad hombres out.
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ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Yes... Brilliant. This is some serious sjw mind acrobatics logic. Farmers deserve disproportionate representation because they are rich in land wealth. People in the city should have less say because they are numerous.

Look in the US rural regions already get more representatives. This should be ended. That is what the Senate was made for. Honestly though this is blatently "reliably Republican regions should get weighted votes for being Republican!!1111!!1!!"


The subject is state governments, do address the actual conversation please.

All 50 state government s in the US have bicameral congress's. My statement covers state as well as federal governments.
Whoever said "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink" has clearly never drown a horse.

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Postby Dresderstan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:43 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The subject is state governments, do address the actual conversation please.

All 50 state government s in the US have bicameral congress's. My statement covers state as well as federal governments.

Actually not all of them do, Nebraska is the only state with a unicameral state legislature.
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Revolution for America
Imagine being shocked about the fact of greed, corruption, and abuse of power in government.
Ethics and morality are for the weak.
The media is a propaganda tool fueling the two parties hyperpartisanship and killing the country, it's time to end the "freedom of the press"
Violence against the government is and should be accepted by the people, especially when said government wants to and tries to strip away your constitutional rights.

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