Ireland legalized abortion: what do YOU think about this?

[The Grims]

Yeah, how selfish of women to not want to be enslaved to the fetus for 9 months if they don't want it to be there but have no legal recourse. How selfish(!)

Im not saying that THE WOMAN in question is selfish for wanting to have an abortion because she might have not enough resources to raise her child Im saying that society today has become too abortion oriented and i only support abortion ONLY if the pregnant woman's life is in danger.

Do you support compulsory bloodtransfusions as well ?

[The New California Republic]

Yeah, how selfish of women to not want to be enslaved to the fetus for 9 months if they don't want it to be there but have no legal recourse. How selfish(!)

Im not saying that THE WOMAN in question is selfish for wanting to have an abortion because she might have not enough resources to raise her child Im saying that society today has become too abortion oriented and i only support abortion ONLY if the pregnant woman's life is in danger.

So a woman would have to carry a fetus that is the product of a rape to term?

And women are part of society last time I checked; so you are, by inference, saying that women are selfish in this situation.

[Sicaris]

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[Ifreann]

Well, it didn't take long for us to start fucking this right up.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.3761420

A woman is being denied an abortion by the board of the Coombe, one of our main maternity hospitals, overriding the decision of her doctors. Scans reportedly show that the foetus' organs are growing outside its body, an abnormality that the woman's doctor and two consultants agree will prove fatal, but the board is not allowing an abortion, instead telling this woman to wait four weeks(she's currently in her 14th week) to see if there's a spontaneous miscarriage. The woman's doctors have told her that she can go to England, the exact situation we had a referendum to keep from happening. We changed our constitution to make abortion legal, and now a hospital just won't do it, seemingly for no reason. This fucking country, man.

Update: She's going to travel to England with her partner, having borrowed about €1,000 from family to cover the cost.

Only took us about two weeks to go right back to denying women abortions and shipping them off abroad.

[Petrolheadia]

I don't support this decision because to abort a baby in a mother's womb is to deny a human being life, society today has become more selfish in general and cares more about its own wants and needs than the fact that its denying life before it even managed to reach this world.

Why are you posting here and denying life?

By your logic, you should be screwing with everyone out there all the time.

[The New California Republic]

Well, it didn't take long for us to start fucking this right up.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.3761420

A woman is being denied an abortion by the board of the Coombe, one of our main maternity hospitals, overriding the decision of her doctors. Scans reportedly show that the foetus' organs are growing outside its body, an abnormality that the woman's doctor and two consultants agree will prove fatal, but the board is not allowing an abortion, instead telling this woman to wait four weeks(she's currently in her 14th week) to see if there's a spontaneous miscarriage. The woman's doctors have told her that she can go to England, the exact situation we had a referendum to keep from happening. We changed our constitution to make abortion legal, and now a hospital just won't do it, seemingly for no reason. This fucking country, man.

Update: She's going to travel to England with her partner, having borrowed about €1,000 from family to cover the cost.

It is fucking shocking that she is being forced to travel abroad for a procedure that doctors and the law says that she should be able to have locally. I hope that the Irish Government at the very least reimburses her for the full cost of travel and costs incurred while she is abroad.

[Ifreann]

Update: She's going to travel to England with her partner, having borrowed about €1,000 from family to cover the cost.

It is fucking shocking that she is being forced to travel abroad for a procedure that doctors and the law says that she should be able to have locally. I hope that the Irish Government at the very least reimburses her for the full cost of travel and costs incurred while she is abroad.

The government doesn't seem inclined to get involved. But, as mentioned in that article, the Coombe claims that their Board doesn't have any part in deciding whether a termination happens or not, so the government may get pressured into at least figuring out why the fuck this woman was told she could have an abortion.

[Vassenor]

Yeah, how selfish of women to not want to be enslaved to the fetus for 9 months if they don't want it to be there but have no legal recourse. How selfish(!)

Im not saying that THE WOMAN in question is selfish for wanting to have an abortion because she might have not enough resources to raise her child Im saying that society today has become too abortion oriented and i only support abortion ONLY if the pregnant woman's life is in danger.

I didn't know we'd built our entire society around Abortion.

[Ors Might]

I don't support this decision because to abort a baby in a mother's womb is to deny a human being life, society today has become more selfish in general and cares more about its own wants and needs than the fact that its denying life before it even managed to reach this world.

Why are you posting here and denying life?

By your logic, you should be screwing with everyone out there all the time.

You know full well that’s not what their logic is or what the logic of most pro-lifers is. There is a stark contrast between a sperm cell and a fetus, even if for some inane reason you don’t believe the latter to be human life.

[Liriena]

Well, it didn't take long for us to start fucking this right up.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.3761420

A woman is being denied an abortion by the board of the Coombe, one of our main maternity hospitals, overriding the decision of her doctors. Scans reportedly show that the foetus' organs are growing outside its body, an abnormality that the woman's doctor and two consultants agree will prove fatal, but the board is not allowing an abortion, instead telling this woman to wait four weeks(she's currently in her 14th week) to see if there's a spontaneous miscarriage. The woman's doctors have told her that she can go to England, the exact situation we had a referendum to keep from happening. We changed our constitution to make abortion legal, and now a hospital just won't do it, seemingly for no reason. This fucking country, man.

This disgusts me on such a deep, visceral moral level... An anti-choice person very close to me gloated not too long ago that this was what was going to happen if abortion got legalized over here, and lo and behold, this is the second case of this shit I've heard of this week.

Don't wanna pathologize somebody else's political opinion or anything, but what sort of terminally fucked up mindset do you have to be in to think this is actually good for anyone????

[The Alma Mater]

Why are you posting here and denying life?

By your logic, you should be screwing with everyone out there all the time.

You know full well that’s not what their logic is or what the logic of most pro-lifers is. There is a stark contrast between a sperm cell and a fetus, even if for some inane reason you don’t believe the latter to be human life.

What is said difference then ? Both are at the moment of termination mindless and emtionless pieces of living tissue; who could potentially have developed into full humans had their life not been stopped.

[Liriena]

Im not saying that THE WOMAN in question is selfish for wanting to have an abortion because she might have not enough resources to raise her child Im saying that society today has become too abortion oriented and i only support abortion ONLY if the pregnant woman's life is in danger.

I didn't know we'd built our entire society around Abortion.

Wait... you don't sacrifice a goat to our vengeful eldritch death god, Abh'ort-ion, every morning?

[Ors Might]

Well, it didn't take long for us to start fucking this right up.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.3761420

A woman is being denied an abortion by the board of the Coombe, one of our main maternity hospitals, overriding the decision of her doctors. Scans reportedly show that the foetus' organs are growing outside its body, an abnormality that the woman's doctor and two consultants agree will prove fatal, but the board is not allowing an abortion, instead telling this woman to wait four weeks(she's currently in her 14th week) to see if there's a spontaneous miscarriage. The woman's doctors have told her that she can go to England, the exact situation we had a referendum to keep from happening. We changed our constitution to make abortion legal, and now a hospital just won't do it, seemingly for no reason. This fucking country, man.

This disgusts me on such a deep, visceral moral level... An anti-choice person very close to me gloated not too long ago that this was what was going to happen if abortion got legalized over here, and lo and behold, this is the second case of this shit I've heard of this week.

Don't wanna pathologize somebody else's political opinion or anything, but what sort of terminally fucked up mindset do you have to be in to think this is actually good for anyone????

If one takes the position that fetuses are babies and doesn’t value bodily autonomy to the same extent of pro-choicers, it makes logical sense that they would wish to hamper attempts to get an abortion. By the moral logic they follow, abortion would be one of the most heinous acts one could do.

[Ors Might]

You know full well that’s not what their logic is or what the logic of most pro-lifers is. There is a stark contrast between a sperm cell and a fetus, even if for some inane reason you don’t believe the latter to be human life.

What is said difference then ? Both are at the moment of termination mindless and emtionless pieces of living tissue; who could potentially have developed into full humans had their life not been stopped.

I’m sure you apply the same logic to those in comas. And no, sperm cells by definition do not have tissue, being singular cells.

[Liriena]

This disgusts me on such a deep, visceral moral level... An anti-choice person very close to me gloated not too long ago that this was what was going to happen if abortion got legalized over here, and lo and behold, this is the second case of this shit I've heard of this week.

Don't wanna pathologize somebody else's political opinion or anything, but what sort of terminally fucked up mindset do you have to be in to think this is actually good for anyone????

If one takes the position that fetuses are babies and doesn’t value bodily autonomy to the same extent of pro-choicers, it makes logical sense that they would wish to hamper attempts to get an abortion. By the moral logic they follow, abortion would be one of the most heinous acts one could do.

I'm not sure it makes sense even in that mindset. This is an irrelevant third party selfishly and unilaterally prolonguing the agony of a being that has no life expectancy.

[Liriena]

Im not saying that THE WOMAN in question is selfish for wanting to have an abortion because she might have not enough resources to raise her child Im saying that society today has become too abortion oriented and i only support abortion ONLY if the pregnant woman's life is in danger.

Do you support compulsory bloodtransfusions as well ?

And organ donations?

[Ors Might]

If one takes the position that fetuses are babies and doesn’t value bodily autonomy to the same extent of pro-choicers, it makes logical sense that they would wish to hamper attempts to get an abortion. By the moral logic they follow, abortion would be one of the most heinous acts one could do.

I'm not sure it makes sense even in that mindset. This is an irrelevant third party selfishly and unilaterally prolonguing the agony of a being that has no life expectancy.

In this specific case, you’re correct. At this point, not letting the unborn be birthed might be the most compassionate thing that could be done for it. Though I’d personally chalk this up less towards selfishness and more towards pure unbridled ignorance, but then again I don’t know the person that gloated to you.

[Petrolheadia]

What is said difference then ? Both are at the moment of termination mindless and emtionless pieces of living tissue; who could potentially have developed into full humans had their life not been stopped.

I’m sure you apply the same logic to those in comas.

Except that they actually have physical capabilities for conscious thoughts, as opposed to undeveloped fetuses.

[Liriena]

I’m sure you apply the same logic to those in comas.

Except that they actually have physical capabilities for conscious thoughts, as opposed to undeveloped fetuses.

Now, if we were talking about brain death...

[The New California Republic]

This disgusts me on such a deep, visceral moral level... An anti-choice person very close to me gloated not too long ago that this was what was going to happen if abortion got legalized over here, and lo and behold, this is the second case of this shit I've heard of this week.

Don't wanna pathologize somebody else's political opinion or anything, but what sort of terminally fucked up mindset do you have to be in to think this is actually good for anyone????

If one takes the position that fetuses are babies and doesn’t value bodily autonomy to the same extent of pro-choicers, it makes logical sense that they would wish to hamper attempts to get an abortion. By the moral logic they follow, abortion would be one of the most heinous acts one could do.

Two consultants and a doctor have already said that the fetus will not survive. If she hadn't have made the decision to get the abortion in England then she would have been forced to carry a dead fetus inside her for 4 weeks, in the possibility that it could have been miscarried naturally. It's possible that the fetus wouldn't have been miscarried naturally, which can lead to a whole host of problems for the poor woman. I'm getting déjà vu of the case of Savita Halappanavar's death.

[Ors Might]

I’m sure you apply the same logic to those in comas.

Except that they actually have physical capabilities for conscious thoughts, as opposed to undeveloped fetuses.

Brain dead humans then. Regardless, I’m not sure how you’re missing the obvious differences between an organism with the very real potential to become a human being and a crustified sock.

[The Alma Mater]

What is said difference then ? Both are at the moment of termination mindless and emtionless pieces of living tissue; who could potentially have developed into full humans had their life not been stopped.

I’m sure you apply the same logic to those in comas. And no, sperm cells by definition do not have tissue, being singular cells.

I see. The multicellular aspect is then the key difference in your mind ?

[The New California Republic]

Except that they actually have physical capabilities for conscious thoughts, as opposed to undeveloped fetuses.

Brain dead humans then. Regardless, I’m not sure how you’re missing the obvious differences between an organism with the very real potential to become a human being and a crustified sock.

Brain dead humans get their life support machines switched off...

[Ors Might]

If one takes the position that fetuses are babies and doesn’t value bodily autonomy to the same extent of pro-choicers, it makes logical sense that they would wish to hamper attempts to get an abortion. By the moral logic they follow, abortion would be one of the most heinous acts one could do.

Two consultants and a doctor have already said that the fetus will not survive. If she hadn't have made the decision to get the abortion in England then she would have been forced to carry a dead fetus inside her for 4 weeks, in the possibility that it could have been miscarried naturally. It's possible that the fetus wouldn't have been miscarried naturally, which can lead to a whole host of problems for the poor woman. I'm getting déjà vu of the case of Savita Halappanavar's death.

I admittedly missed those details when I first read the posted and amended my opinion on the matter. There’s no point in letting a newborn live only to die in utter agony.

[The Alma Mater]

Except that they actually have physical capabilities for conscious thoughts, as opposed to undeveloped fetuses.

Brain dead humans then. Regardless, I’m not sure how you’re missing the obvious differences between an organism with the very real potential to become a human being and a crustified sock.

Because even the most basic philosophy course would teach you that potential is irrelevant in these cases ?