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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:47 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh, I'm so glad the state has protected me from not purchasing services I don't want to purchase. how considerate of them.


Except that it wouldn't be things you don't want to purchase. Access to social media is separate from basic service in those countries as is e-mail regardless of site. Have a gaming console or want to use Steam, for instance? That's another $10 a month. Streaming services? Pay extra on top of what you're already paying places like Netflix.


But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.
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ANTI:
-Racism
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
-shrug- Then maybe we could write a bill that implements that?

Yeah, Ajit Pai's gonna do that. And Socialism will work the day afterwards.


Pssst, hey, Ajit Pai doesn't write laws. ;)
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Shrillland
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:49 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Except that it wouldn't be things you don't want to purchase. Access to social media is separate from basic service in those countries as is e-mail regardless of site. Have a gaming console or want to use Steam, for instance? That's another $10 a month. Streaming services? Pay extra on top of what you're already paying places like Netflix.


But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.


Yes, but my point is that you'd be charged extra for the things you need as well as the optionals. You can't seriously tell me that you don't use your e-mail account or don't have so much as a Facebook page. We all do, and in my case, I need them for my livelihood as you need your firearms for yours(no, I won't go into that one, I'm merely pointing out that my job requires the use of the net).
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:49 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
That's what NN does.

Forces the ISP's to treat all data as equal.


It also does an absolute metric duck ton of other stuff.


Does it inconvenience the poor helpless billion dollar ISP corporations and there CEO's who live on the street in there million dollar penthouses?
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Arlenton
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:49 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Tom Steyer has started airing “impeach Trump” ads in Iowa. Is he gunna run or???

Who?

Think of everything the Democrats have to do to appeal to the working class whites who switched to Trump in 2016.

Then take the opposite of that and make it into a very unexciting and unlikable person.

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Except that it wouldn't be things you don't want to purchase. Access to social media is separate from basic service in those countries as is e-mail regardless of site. Have a gaming console or want to use Steam, for instance? That's another $10 a month. Streaming services? Pay extra on top of what you're already paying places like Netflix.


But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.

Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:52 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah, Ajit Pai's gonna do that. And Socialism will work the day afterwards.


Pssst, hey, Ajit Pai doesn't write laws. ;)


Ajit Pai is also part of the swamp that Trump pumped in instead of draining.

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Telconi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:52 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.


Yes, but my point is that you'd be charged extra for the things you need as well as the optionals. You can't seriously tell me that you don't use your e-mail account or don't have so much as a Facebook page. We all do, and in my case, I need them for my livelihood as you need your firearms for yours(no, I won't go into that one, I'm merely pointing out that my job requires the use of the net).


Okay, so then buy it, like how I buy fucking ammo.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Northern Davincia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.

Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.

Argumentum ad populum.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But I don't want most of those things, and under your system I have to buy them anyhow.

Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.


"You're not important! I am!!!" what a compelling argument, sir.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Pssst, hey, Ajit Pai doesn't write laws. ;)


Ajit Pai is also part of the swamp that Trump pumped in instead of draining.


Ajit Pai is a hero.
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-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ajit Pai is also part of the swamp that Trump pumped in instead of draining.


Ajit Pai is a hero.

^^^
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Arlenton
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ajit Pai is also part of the swamp that Trump pumped in instead of draining.


Ajit Pai is a hero.

But he killed us all and destroyed the world. Remember?

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:56 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It also does an absolute metric duck ton of other stuff.


Does it inconvenience the poor helpless billion dollar ISP corporations and there CEO's who live on the street in there million dollar penthouses?


No, actually it inconveniences normal every day people. But they're just mean old people who like their property intact. And their job to not be unnecessarily stupid.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:56 pm

Holy Lactating Walruses Batman, look at those multiposts. Help me Ajit Pai, you're my only hope!
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:56 pm

Triple.
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:56 pm

Double.
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.

Argumentum ad populum.

The point is that when something negatively affects a majority of the population, it's time to stop going "ME ME ME!"

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.


"You're not important! I am!!!" what a compelling argument, sir.

Not me personally. But most of America is, well, how do I say it...im-fucking-portant. And most of these people are benefited by NN. So, if you could stop misrepresenting the argument and dealing with the actual point, that'd be lovely.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Shrillland
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Yes, but my point is that you'd be charged extra for the things you need as well as the optionals. You can't seriously tell me that you don't use your e-mail account or don't have so much as a Facebook page. We all do, and in my case, I need them for my livelihood as you need your firearms for yours(no, I won't go into that one, I'm merely pointing out that my job requires the use of the net).


Okay, so then buy it, like how I buy fucking ammo.


$30 a month can be quite a lot when you're a copywriter and work is slow, particularly in the summer. Granted, ammunition is more expensive and, in California at least, more arduous to obtain, so it wouldn't seem like a big deal. but I will fight to ensure my job is protected as much as you will yours, and if it ensures that people aren't being shafted by big business, then so much the better.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ajit Pai is also part of the swamp that Trump pumped in instead of draining.


Ajit Pai is a hero.


The opposite of one.

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Y'know that not every single ramification is only for you, right? You might not want them. Other people do. You're somewhat outnumbered.

Argumentum ad populum.


>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:00 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Ajit Pai is a hero.


The opposite of one.

Northern Davincia wrote:Argumentum ad populum.


>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

But if the minority gets its way, we can claim tyranny by minority.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:02 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Okay, so then buy it, like how I buy fucking ammo.


$30 a month can be quite a lot when you're a copywriter and work is slow, particularly in the summer. Granted, ammunition is more expensive and, in California at least, more arduous to obtain, so it wouldn't seem like a big deal. but I will fight to ensure my job is protected as much as you will yours, and if it ensures that people aren't being shafted by big business, then so much the better.


Your thirty bucks a month costs some people literally thousands because Title II is a fucking ham-handed way to achieve your goals, and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:04 pm

Telconi wrote:


No, actually it inconveniences normal every day people. But they're just mean old people who like their property intact. And their job to not be unnecessarily stupid.


Doesn't inconvenience most people and most people like it.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
$30 a month can be quite a lot when you're a copywriter and work is slow, particularly in the summer. Granted, ammunition is more expensive and, in California at least, more arduous to obtain, so it wouldn't seem like a big deal. but I will fight to ensure my job is protected as much as you will yours, and if it ensures that people aren't being shafted by big business, then so much the better.


Your thirty bucks a month costs some people literally thousands because Title II is a fucking ham-handed way to achieve your goals, and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled.


Cherry picking examples.

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Arlenton
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:05 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Argumentum ad populum.

The point is that when something negatively affects a majority of the population, it's time to stop going "ME ME ME!"

Telconi wrote:
"You're not important! I am!!!" what a compelling argument, sir.

Not me personally. But most of America is, well, how do I say it...im-fucking-portant. And most of these people are benefited by NN. So, if you could stop misrepresenting the argument and dealing with the actual point, that'd be lovely.

Me > everyone else tbh

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