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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Hiroko Marsden » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:19 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I mean, the only ones who were saying it was going to be one for them were hacky right wing pundits...so, no surprises there.


Yeah, the idea that Democrats are obsessed with checking off diversity quotas exists only on dark spaces within Twitter and right-wing punditry. Most Dems are just obsessed with beating Trump.


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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:25 pm

Hiroko Marsden wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Yeah, the idea that Democrats are obsessed with checking off diversity quotas exists only on dark spaces within Twitter and right-wing punditry. Most Dems are just obsessed with beating Trump.


Without diversity, life would not exist


Come now.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:26 pm

I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I mean, the only ones who were saying it was going to be one for them were hacky right wing pundits...so, no surprises there.


Yeah, the idea that Democrats are obsessed with checking off diversity quotas exists only on dark spaces within Twitter and right-wing punditry. Most Dems are just obsessed with beating Trump.


Well evidently at least 13% of them have bias on the subject.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:28 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.

So concern trolling the Democratic primaries.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:29 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.


We don't have party registration in Illinois, at least we didn't when I registered.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:30 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.


We don't have party registration in Illinois, at least we didn't when I registered.


I am still registered to vote in another state.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:30 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
We don't have party registration in Illinois, at least we didn't when I registered.


I am still registered to vote in another state.


I remove my hat and apologise.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Yeah, the idea that Democrats are obsessed with checking off diversity quotas exists only on dark spaces within Twitter and right-wing punditry. Most Dems are just obsessed with beating Trump.


Well evidently at least 13% of them have bias on the subject.


Those are the folk with Twitter accounts.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:30 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.

So concern trolling the Democratic primaries.


Trolling? I would sincerely like Mr. Yang to be president, but the current President is my second choice.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:31 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.


Might as well skip a step or two and toss your hat in for the Donald, then.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:32 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.


Might as well skip a step or two and toss your hat in for the Donald, then.


Why?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So concern trolling the Democratic primaries.


Trolling? I would sincerely like Mr. Yang to be president, but the current President is my second choice.

This is the worst candidate endorsement...
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:34 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I have registered Democrat to vote for Mr. Yang in the Democratic primaries. If he does not win the primary, then I will vote for President Trump in 2020.


Might as well skip a step or two and toss your hat in for the Donald, then.


'Don't vote because you'll lose" is bad advice.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:35 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Might as well skip a step or two and toss your hat in for the Donald, then.


Why?


Yang's appeal thus far seems extremely limited. The only people who like him are an extremely narrow slice of the electorate and aren't traditionally Democratic, this would not be a bad thing if Yang could also appeal to more traditional Democratic blocs, which he can not, as his failure to break out in spite of having the second-oldest campaign shows.

Dems are looking for someone to be a good foil to Trump, a businessman with no government experience flouting his business record as valuable experience is almost quite literally the opposite of what most Democrats are looking for.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:36 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Trolling? I would sincerely like Mr. Yang to be president, but the current President is my second choice.

This is the worst candidate endorsement...


I disagree. A Democratic candidate that can reach across the aisle and resonate with many Trump voters is a good thing.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Might as well skip a step or two and toss your hat in for the Donald, then.


'Don't vote because you'll lose" is bad advice.


It's different when I don't believe Yang will actually make it that far.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:37 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This is the worst candidate endorsement...


I disagree. A Democratic candidate that can reach across the aisle and resonate with many Trump voters is a good thing.


There's 20 contenders, at least six of them are actively attempting to do that.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:39 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:This is the worst candidate endorsement...


I disagree. A Democratic candidate that can reach across the aisle and resonate with many Trump voters is a good thing.

So you still want a Trump in either case.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:39 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I disagree. A Democratic candidate that can reach across the aisle and resonate with many Trump voters is a good thing.


There's 20 contenders, at least six of them are actively attempting to do that.


I get Biden, but who are the others?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's 20 contenders, at least six of them are actively attempting to do that.


I get Biden, but who are the others?


Maybe Sanders? Certainly not Warren, Harris, O'Rourke, or Buttigieg.

Interestingly enough, Buttigieg seems to have courted the favor of anti-Trump Republicans. There aren't enough of them to sway a vote, but their pockets are deep enough to affect an image.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
There's 20 contenders, at least six of them are actively attempting to do that.


I get Biden, but who are the others?


Buttigieg's campaign has, for a while, had "it's okay, we don't blame you, you can come back now" coded into their messaging since people started paying attention to it.
Klobuchar is another moderate midwesterner built to take those voters back
From what little I know of Tim Ryan, he seems to be trying to position himself as another blue-collar Democrat appealing to "economic anxiety" Trumpians, I think he's gunning for the space that Brown left when he declined to run.
Sanders is said to have some kind of cross-appeal, especially since polls regularly find that ~10% of his base would vote for the Donald if he didn't get the nod.

I think that's all I can reasonably justify.

So that would be six counting Yang.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I get Biden, but who are the others?


Buttigieg's campaign has, for a while, had "it's okay, we don't blame you, you can come back now" coded into their messaging since people started paying attention to it.
Klobuchar is another moderate midwesterner built to take those voters back
From what little I know of Tim Ryan, he seems to be trying to position himself as another blue-collar Democrat appealing to "economic anxiety" Trumpians, I think he's gunning for the space that Brown left when he declined to run.
Sanders is said to have some kind of cross-appeal, especially since polls regularly find that ~10% of his base would vote for the Donald if he didn't get the nod.

I think that's all I can reasonably justify.

So that would be six counting Yang.


Buttigieg seems likable, and Sanders can always play on the appeal of his economic policies. Klobuchar seems like a crossover candidate in name only, and literally who is Tim Ryan?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I get Biden, but who are the others?


Buttigieg's campaign has, for a while, had "it's okay, we don't blame you, you can come back now" coded into their messaging since people started paying attention to it.
Klobuchar is another moderate midwesterner built to take those voters back
From what little I know of Tim Ryan, he seems to be trying to position himself as another blue-collar Democrat appealing to "economic anxiety" Trumpians, I think he's gunning for the space that Brown left when he declined to run.
Sanders is said to have some kind of cross-appeal, especially since polls regularly find that ~10% of his base would vote for the Donald if he didn't get the nod.

I think that's all I can reasonably justify


I'll give you Klobuchar, I actually forgot about her but to some degree I'd argue she could do it.

I'm not really sold on Buttigieg having any real cross aisle appeal though I'll admit I don't have any hard data or whatnot on this, I just feel like he's not the sort that could bring people back to the party in any real number.

Sanders is one I'm really torn on nowadays. Back in 2016-17 I'd argue he would be really good for winning the Rust Belt but since then it's seemed to me like he's been pursuing the party line on a lot more things than he used to and while I understand that makes sense for a strategy going into a primary it could hurt him if he comes out on top. Also wtf is that shit about wanting serving felons to have the vote Bernie
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Buttigieg's campaign has, for a while, had "it's okay, we don't blame you, you can come back now" coded into their messaging since people started paying attention to it.
Klobuchar is another moderate midwesterner built to take those voters back
From what little I know of Tim Ryan, he seems to be trying to position himself as another blue-collar Democrat appealing to "economic anxiety" Trumpians, I think he's gunning for the space that Brown left when he declined to run.
Sanders is said to have some kind of cross-appeal, especially since polls regularly find that ~10% of his base would vote for the Donald if he didn't get the nod.

I think that's all I can reasonably justify.

So that would be six counting Yang.


Buttigieg seems likable, and Sanders can always play on the appeal of his economic policies. Klobuchar seems like a crossover candidate in name only, and literally who is Tim Ryan?


Tim Ryan is an Ohio representative with not very much distinguishing him from the pack. Unless I'm misremembering, he's pro-union labor but at the same time not turbo-progressive. Last I checked he was making headlines for saying he was troubled with the rise of Socialists in the Democratic Party.
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