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2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Seangoli
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Founded: Sep 24, 2006
Ex-Nation

Postby Seangoli » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:56 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is Trump automatically the Republican candidate in 2020. or can they choose someone else?


He can technically face opposition during Primary season. Barring something disastrous, I doubt there is anyone who would give him any real opposition, as is the case with most incumbents.

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Varaskia
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Postby Varaskia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:08 pm

Knockturn Alley wrote:That being said Antisemitism is more mainstream among Democrats than Republicans (Rashida Tlaib and Omar)

If you truly believe these folks are antisemitic, but Trump and most Republicans are just fine, I honestly have no idea what to tell you. Look to the way they've indulged antisemitic conspiracy theories surrounding Soros as a particularly stark example of that.

Knockturn Alley wrote:New wave of Democrats will promote socialist agendas (AoC who's economically ignorant)

He might talk a lot about Making Great Deals, but it's obvious when you listen to Trump he doesn't understand any of what he's talking about. Ask him to explain any relatively simple economic concept and his answer will be incomprehensible. On the other hand, AOC seems to have spent the last day or two simply explaining to people on the Republican side the concept of marginal tax rates -- she sure seems to know more than most of these clowns!

Telconi wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:How are a real estate multi-millionaire and his family not part of the elite?


Because real estate multi-millionaires don't posess political power?

Wealthy people in America buy themselves political power. People who fund politicians, lobbyists and Super PACs have political power.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:04 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is Trump automatically the Republican candidate in 2020. or can they choose someone else?

They can. But that’s not going to happen.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:09 pm

Arlenton wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is Trump automatically the Republican candidate in 2020. or can they choose someone else?

They can. But that’s not going to happen.

Unless Donald's in prison by then. Fingers crossed!

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:18 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Arlenton wrote:They can. But that’s not going to happen.

Unless Donald's in prison by then. Fingers crossed!

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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:46 pm

Knockturn Alley wrote:New wave of Democrats will promote socialist agendas

Stop threatening the world with a good time

Also yeah nah that's not going to happen in the Democratic Party anytime soon. There are like one or two DSA Democrats in office, with most of the rest being regular run of the mill progressives.

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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:49 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Arlenton wrote:They can. But that’s not going to happen.

Unless Donald's in prison by then. Fingers crossed!

That’d unleash a whole new level of fuckery.

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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:57 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Unless Donald's in prison by then. Fingers crossed!

That’d unleash a whole new level of fuckery.

Eugene V. Debs ran for president in the 1920 election while in prison in Atlanta, Georgia, at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. He received 919,799 votes. So ...
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:57 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Knockturn Alley wrote:New wave of Democrats will promote socialist agendas

Stop threatening the world with a good time

Also yeah nah that's not going to happen in the Democratic Party anytime soon. There are like one or two DSA Democrats in office, with most of the rest being regular run of the mill progressives.

We want good times, not breadlines.
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Mardla
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Postby Mardla » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:01 pm

Varaskia wrote:
Knockturn Alley wrote:That being said Antisemitism is more mainstream among Democrats than Republicans (Rashida Tlaib and Omar)

If you truly believe these folks are antisemitic, but Trump and most Republicans are just fine, I honestly have no idea what to tell you. Look to the way they've indulged antisemitic conspiracy theories surrounding Soros as a particularly stark example of that.

Knockturn Alley wrote:New wave of Democrats will promote socialist agendas (AoC who's economically ignorant)

He might talk a lot about Making Great Deals, but it's obvious when you listen to Trump he doesn't understand any of what he's talking about. Ask him to explain any relatively simple economic concept and his answer will be incomprehensible. On the other hand, AOC seems to have spent the last day or two simply explaining to people on the Republican side the concept of marginal tax rates -- she sure seems to know more than most of these clowns!

Telconi wrote:
Because real estate multi-millionaires don't posess political power?

Wealthy people in America buy themselves political power. People who fund politicians, lobbyists and Super PACs have political power.

The GOP attacking Soros is really no worse than the Dems attacking the Koch brothers, and both Soros and the Koch Brothers certainly should be attacked.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:02 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Knockturn Alley wrote:New wave of Democrats will promote socialist agendas

Stop threatening the world with a good time

Also yeah nah that's not going to happen in the Democratic Party anytime soon. There are like one or two DSA Democrats in office, with most of the rest being regular run of the mill progressives.


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Pasong Tirad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Pasong Tirad » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Stop threatening the world with a good time

Also yeah nah that's not going to happen in the Democratic Party anytime soon. There are like one or two DSA Democrats in office, with most of the rest being regular run of the mill progressives.

We want good times, not breadlines.


Telconi wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Stop threatening the world with a good time

Also yeah nah that's not going to happen in the Democratic Party anytime soon. There are like one or two DSA Democrats in office, with most of the rest being regular run of the mill progressives.


I have never found the sensation of hunger particularly appealing.

Running out of talking points, I see.

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Pope Joan
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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:11 pm

I do not think Biden will fare well in this Me Too era,

Too much touchy feely video, easy to retrieve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBCZtz0MYDQ
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:16 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:We want good times, not breadlines.


Telconi wrote:
I have never found the sensation of hunger particularly appealing.

Running out of talking points, I see.

Better that we run out of talking points than food.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:17 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:

Running out of talking points, I see.

Better that we run out of talking points than food.

One is happening, the other isn't.
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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:18 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:

Running out of talking points, I see.

Better that we run out of talking points than food.


Food is a Capitalist allusion, Comrade.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:19 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Better that we run out of talking points than food.


Food is a Capitalist allusion, Comrade.

I have betrayed the revolution!
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Arlenton
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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:19 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Better that we run out of talking points than food.

One is happening, the other isn't.

Hopefully it never happens.

...In the US anyway. Seems to be pretty popular in like Venezueala.
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The Federation of Spokane
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The Federation of Spokane » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:20 pm

Anyone want Inslee in the White House? He seems like the guy to stop net neutrality from being stopped.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:21 pm

The Federation of Spokane wrote:Anyone want Inslee in the White House? He seems like the guy to stop net neutrality from being stopped.

Net Neutrality deserves obliteration.
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:23 pm

The Federation of Spokane wrote:Anyone want Inslee in the White House? He seems like the guy to stop net neutrality from being stopped.


No lol
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:23 pm

Arlenton wrote:
The South Falls wrote:One is happening, the other isn't.

Hopefully it never happens.

It won't happen. Democrats aren't communist.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:23 pm

Knockturn Alley wrote:Democrat majority will be much more radical and authoritarian than Republican majority

No if anything they would be more centrist.

Unless Jeb(!) runs again, I can't really see a centrist Republican nominee.

Although I hope they do put out a centrist candidate.

If they do then that would be my third choice behind Bernie and Ouija.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Federation of Spokane wrote:Anyone want Inslee in the White House? He seems like the guy to stop net neutrality from being stopped.

Net Neutrality deserves obliteration.


The majority disagrees.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Federation of Spokane wrote:Anyone want Inslee in the White House? He seems like the guy to stop net neutrality from being stopped.


No lol



Yes beacuse Trump's FCC is full of swamp.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:25 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Hopefully it never happens.

It won't happen. Democrats aren't communist.

For now.
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