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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:18 am

New haven america wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Eh, I agree with abolishing diversity quotas (anti-discrimination measures will do) and tighter control on the immigration system, but otherwise...

His suggestions are bloody awful.

The US already has one of the harshest immigrations systems on the planet.

It can't get any tighter (Other than completely closing down the US' borders and not letting anyone in).


I prefer the Canadian immigration system (the system prioritizes people who can speak English and/or French, work-based immigration and a set refugee quota), more comprehensive.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:26 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
New haven america wrote:The US already has one of the harshest immigrations systems on the planet.

It can't get any tighter (Other than completely closing down the US' borders and not letting anyone in).


I prefer the Canadian immigration system (the system prioritizes people who can speak English and/or French, work-based immigration and a set refugee quota), more comprehensive.

That's not going to change anything.

We're still going to have the same immigration problems, just with a new fresh coat of paint masking the issues.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:28 am

New haven america wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I prefer the Canadian immigration system (the system prioritizes people who can speak English and/or French, work-based immigration and a set refugee quota), more comprehensive.

That's not going to change anything.

We're still going to have the same immigration problems, just with a new fresh coat of paint masking the issues.


Then what exactly is your solution?

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:54 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
New haven america wrote:That's not going to change anything.

We're still going to have the same immigration problems, just with a new fresh coat of paint masking the issues.


Then what exactly is your solution?

How about starting by teaching the general public about the history an current process of immigration, while also clearing misconceptions (Like how the apparently 15% of the US population is Islamic when in actuality it's only 1%, or how there's only ~11 illegal immigrants in the US, or how the US system already prioritizes English speakers or those from developed nations and work/education based immigration) and giving people a greater understanding of what it takes to immigrate here (Or every developed nation, for that matter).
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:57 am

New haven america wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Then what exactly is your solution?

How about starting by teaching the general public about the history an current process of immigration, while also clearing misconceptions (Like how the apparently 15% of the US population is Islamic when in actuality it's only 1%, or how there's only ~11 illegal immigrants in the US, or how the US system already prioritizes English speakers or those from developed nations and work/education based immigration) and giving people a greater understanding of what it takes to immigrate here (Or every developed nation, for that matter).


So basically calling for a conference to dispel the misconceptions around immigration?

Seems reasonable enough to me.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:56 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Nothing to offer anything useful to your people? What’s that supposed to look like, specifically?

Abolish diversity quotas or at least for quotas to include whites, more government funding for white communities, less mass immigration or at least allow mass migration from Eastern Europe, protecting the white christian majority, harsher punishemts for anti-white hate crimes... this is some from top of my head.

So white supremacy. Ya fuck that
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:
ShakaZuli wrote:Abolish diversity quotas or at least for quotas to include whites, more government funding for white communities, less mass immigration or at least allow mass migration from Eastern Europe, protecting the white christian majority, harsher punishemts for anti-white hate crimes... this is some from top of my head.

So white supremacy. Ya fuck that


I bet he also unironically believes that Latinos aren't white despite the fact that they are.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
ShakaZuli wrote:Abolish diversity quotas or at least for quotas to include whites, more government funding for white communities, less mass immigration or at least allow mass migration from Eastern Europe, protecting the white christian majority, harsher punishemts for anti-white hate crimes... this is some from top of my head.

So white supremacy. Ya fuck that

"Protecting the white Christian majority?" What's he gonna do? Shoot people like me.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:09 am

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So white supremacy. Ya fuck that

"Protecting the white Christian majority?" What's he gonna do? Shoot people like me.


That's becoming an increasingly popular position to hold, so probably.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:09 am

The South Falls wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So white supremacy. Ya fuck that

"Protecting the white Christian majority?" What's he gonna do? Shoot people like me.


Truly you must have this innate desire of wanting to destroy America's sanctimonious Christianity!

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:11 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The South Falls wrote:"Protecting the white Christian majority?" What's he gonna do? Shoot people like me.


That's becoming an increasingly popular position to hold, so probably.

Fuck people who believe that. Governor LePage in Maine can go fuck himself.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:"Protecting the white Christian majority?" What's he gonna do? Shoot people like me.


Truly you must have this innate desire of wanting to destroy America's sanctimonious Christianity!

I mean, there are more black Christians than white Christians.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:13 am

The South Falls wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's becoming an increasingly popular position to hold, so probably.

Fuck people who believe that. Governor LePage in Maine can go fuck himself.
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Truly you must have this innate desire of wanting to destroy America's sanctimonious Christianity!

I mean, there are more black Christians than white Christians.


That's a particularly ironic fact, black Christians tend to be much more pious and practicing than white Christians.

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:15 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Fuck people who believe that. Governor LePage in Maine can go fuck himself.

I mean, there are more black Christians than white Christians.


That's a particularly ironic fact, black Christians tend to be much more pious and practicing than white Christians.

My parents and my extended family are more religious than me. I'm trying to be more religious though I'm not as pious as I should be.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:18 am

The South Falls wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
That's a particularly ironic fact, black Christians tend to be much more pious and practicing than white Christians.

My parents and my extended family are more religious than me. I'm trying to be more religious though I'm not as pious as I should be.


I turned away from organized religion, but I still believe in God (albeit a more abstract interpretation of him), and I and my family can be rather superstitious at times (we purchased a cat out of belief that he absorbs and wards off bad luck, and I want to buy an evil eye necklace to protect myself against malevolent glares).

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Postby Diopolis » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:19 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So white supremacy. Ya fuck that


I bet he also unironically believes that Latinos aren't white despite the fact that they are.

Well, most of them are. Some of them are injuns or black, or just a whole sort of general mish mash.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:22 am

Diopolis wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I bet he also unironically believes that Latinos aren't white despite the fact that they are.

Well, most of them are. Some of them are injuns or black, or just a whole sort of general mish mash.


Most Latinos have Native or African blood (it varies greatly from people to people), but most are predominantly of Spaniard stock (again, it varies per country, an Argentinian is usually far less of a Mestizo than a Paraguayan).

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:30 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:My parents and my extended family are more religious than me. I'm trying to be more religious though I'm not as pious as I should be.


I turned away from organized religion, but I still believe in God (albeit a more abstract interpretation of him), and I and my family can be rather superstitious at times (we purchased a cat out of belief that he absorbs and wards off bad luck, and I want to buy an evil eye necklace to protect myself against malevolent glares).

If I ever see ya irl Ima wide eye stare you.
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Chan Island
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:55 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
The South Falls wrote:My parents and my extended family are more religious than me. I'm trying to be more religious though I'm not as pious as I should be.


I turned away from organized religion, but I still believe in God (albeit a more abstract interpretation of him), and I and my family can be rather superstitious at times (we purchased a cat out of belief that he absorbs and wards off bad luck, and I want to buy an evil eye necklace to protect myself against malevolent glares).


*makes a mental note to deliberately give malevolent glares to people with evil eye necklaces* :p
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:08 am

Chan Island wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I turned away from organized religion, but I still believe in God (albeit a more abstract interpretation of him), and I and my family can be rather superstitious at times (we purchased a cat out of belief that he absorbs and wards off bad luck, and I want to buy an evil eye necklace to protect myself against malevolent glares).


*makes a mental note to deliberately give malevolent glares to people with evil eye necklaces* :p


"Malevolent glare" is a double entendre, since the glare itself isn't the bad part, it's the intent behind it.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:30 am

Page wrote:
ShakaZuli wrote:As a white male I couldn`t vote for any Democrats in near future. The policies of the Democratic Party does not offer anything usefull to my people and who belongs to my demographics. As such there is no other solution but to to vote Trump again athough he has many flaws.


As a white male myself I would like to ask what exactly do you think the Republicans have done for us?

They aren't giving us affordable healthcare. They aren't giving us a living wage. They aren't giving any upward mobility to all the white guys at the bottom of the ladder. They aren't giving us anything of tangible value at all, unless you're a millionaire.

What exactly do Trump and the Republicans offer?


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Postby Chan Island » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:32 am

Telconi wrote:
Page wrote:
As a white male myself I would like to ask what exactly do you think the Republicans have done for us?

They aren't giving us affordable healthcare. They aren't giving us a living wage. They aren't giving any upward mobility to all the white guys at the bottom of the ladder. They aren't giving us anything of tangible value at all, unless you're a millionaire.

What exactly do Trump and the Republicans offer?


Neil and Brett


And what do Neil and Brett offer? Those two support every single one of the things Page listed.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:33 am

Chan Island wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Neil and Brett


And what do Neil and Brett offer? Those two support every single one of the things Page listed.


They offer solid votes on important issues Telconi cares about for the next several decades. If we could just get Hardiman on the court this will have been a great presidency tbh.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:39 am

Chan Island wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Neil and Brett


And what do Neil and Brett offer? Those two support every single one of the things Page listed.


Gun rights.

I also already have all the things Page mentioned.
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-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Hediacrana » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:57 am

Bit of a shame Beto is not in the options -- I mean, he would not be my favoured candidate, and I get that he doesn't meet the criteria of this poll, but for better or worse, chances of him not running frankly seem pretty low to me at this point, and I bet results would look look quite different if he was in there.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:59 am

Hediacrana wrote:Bit of a shame Beto is not in the options -- I mean, he would not be my favoured candidate, and I get that he doesn't meet the criteria of this poll, but for better or worse, chances of him not running frankly seem pretty low to me at this point, and I bet results would look look quite different if he was in there.


He's been pretty adamant about not running in every single interview he's been asked and hasn't taken any steps to prepare for such a campaign. Unlike, say, Warren or Booker who have essentially declared their intention months ago and just didn't voice it yet.
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