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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:34 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The state legislature would never approve it.


Obviously not.

the economy of the new state of Illinois would likely collapse shortly after splitting

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:34 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Obviously not.

the economy of the new state of Illinois would likely collapse shortly after splitting


It can't be more depressed than it already is.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

Trump's not winning in a landslide.

And they all said there was no way Hillary could lose to this batshit Trump guy with no tact.

San Lumen wrote:
Ifs going to be such a landslide no need for you to vote. Tell everyone you know there is no need to cast a ballot.

As if I need to tell the American people not to vote. They do a fine job of it as is.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the economy of the new state of Illinois would likely collapse shortly after splitting


It can't be more depressed than it already is.

It doesn't matter because it wont occur and no one can force it either as no state can be formed from another without their consent

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Trump's not winning in a landslide.

And they all said there was no way Hillary could lose to this batshit Trump guy with no tact.

San Lumen wrote:
Ifs going to be such a landslide no need for you to vote. Tell everyone you know there is no need to cast a ballot.

As if I need to tell the American people not to vote. They do a fine job of it as is.

They also said Kris Kobach would be Governor of Kansas yet Governor Laura Kelly says hello
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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

It'll be such a massive landslide that we won't even need to cast a vote, he'll just be declared the winner, and he might even get a 3rd term!

Now, while I disagree that he's going to win in a landslide (More likely it'll be akin to Bush/Gore 2000), I'm not looking forward to the next 6 years with him.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

It'll be such a massive landslide that we won't even need to cast a vote, he'll just be declared the winner, and he might even get a 3rd term!

Now, while I disagree that he's going to win in a landslide (More likely it'll be akin to Bush/Gore 2000), I'm not looking forward to the next 6 years with him.

polls this far out are meaningless

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Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:41 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?


Middle of the road. I think Illinois should be split, but the split shouldn't be Chicagoland/rest of the state. I think it should be Northern Illinois/Southern Illinois.

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Southern Illinois keeps the name Illinois because is where the actual Illinois Indians lived and Northern Illinois can be renamed Wabash, or something.

Noooooooooooo

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Postby Arlenton » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Obviously not.

the economy of the new state of Illinois would likely collapse shortly after splitting

Collapsing sounds great compared to what they are in right now.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:43 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
This is why I make Soviet Illinois jokes. Even we Downstate Lefties hold nothing but bitterness and contempt towards the dinosaurs that run the party up North and don't listen to anybody but themselves, though to be fair, Cook County alone has 55% of the population, so they don't have to listen to anybody else.

Would you rather live in a Chicagoless Illinois or an independent state of Chicagoland?

TBF, there's really not that much in Illinois other than Chicago.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New haven america wrote:It'll be such a massive landslide that we won't even need to cast a vote, he'll just be declared the winner, and he might even get a 3rd term!

Now, while I disagree that he's going to win in a landslide (More likely it'll be akin to Bush/Gore 2000), I'm not looking forward to the next 6 years with him.

polls this far out are meaningless

This isn't a poll, this is a fact.
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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:45 pm

New haven america wrote:
San Lumen wrote:polls this far out are meaningless

This isn't a poll, this is a fact.

^
Trump is going to win. It's a matter of y'all not being surprised.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:47 pm

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
New haven america wrote:This isn't a poll, this is a fact.

^
Trump is going to win. It's a matter of y'all not being surprised.


Governor Kris Kobach says hello

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Postby Impaled Nazarene » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:^
Trump is going to win. It's a matter of y'all not being surprised.


Governor Kris Kobach says hello

In Kansas the electoral college does not decide who wins, nor does an unstable and unpredictable national political state.
But please continue using inane examples.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blargoblarg » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:54 pm

Bernie is leading among the Democratic candidates in a new Emerson poll.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-lea ... onal-poll/

Also, Bernie did a town hall on Fox News and pretty much dominated there.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... gy-1277009

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

If Bernie gets the nomination, which seems increasingly likely to me, he'll defeat Trump easily.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:58 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:Bernie is leading among the Democratic candidates in a new Emerson poll.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-lea ... onal-poll/

Also, Bernie did a town hall on Fox News and pretty much dominated there.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... gy-1277009

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

If Bernie gets the nomination, which seems increasingly likely to me, he'll defeat Trump easily.

No he won't.

Especially if he keeps flying the socialist banner about (And even if he does win, Dems are going to lose the House again because of it).
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Postby Ubekibekibekibekistanstan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:15 am

New haven america wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:Bernie is leading among the Democratic candidates in a new Emerson poll.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-lea ... onal-poll/

Also, Bernie did a town hall on Fox News and pretty much dominated there.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... gy-1277009


If Bernie gets the nomination, which seems increasingly likely to me, he'll defeat Trump easily.

No he won't.

Especially if he keeps flying the socialist banner about (And even if he does win, Dems are going to lose the House again because of it).

I don't think you can really rule him out yet. He did pretty well against Clinton in 2016, and having a high-profile socialistic candidate like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez running in 2018 didn't sink the Democrats. Of course, he'd be running nationwide, but polling suggests he has a chance to win.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:22 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Trump's not winning in a landslide.

And they all said there was no way Hillary could lose to this batshit Trump guy with no tact.


"Polls said Hillary would win so all polls are wrong everywhere forever."

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Republic of Penguinian Astronautia » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:49 am

To have sane conversations between politicians in America, we need them to stop straw manning and learn what things mean. Too often, gum policy is broken down as " they say 'common sense' but don't believe them, they're just tyrants who want to take away your guns so you can't resist[with a puny assault weapon]their fascist commie takeover." From the conservatives , and " oh my god everyone is gonna die!" From the liberals. Further, people say things like "there is now definition of assault weapon" on top of that, conservatives don't seem to understand that the gender wage gap, and that it is unequal pay for equal work, not the average among all women.

Also, people need to stop thinking a. That socialism destroys countries and b. That Bernie and AOC advocate socialism.
Finally, the green new deal is nothing new, it's just taking a bunch of widely accepted policies and packaging them together.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:02 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Bernie is leading among the Democratic candidates in a new Emerson poll.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-lea ... onal-poll/

Also, Bernie did a town hall on Fox News and pretty much dominated there.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... gy-1277009

Impaled Nazarene wrote:I just hope the dems don't act surprised when Trump wins in a landslide. This country is not getting unfucked that easily, especially when the opposition party has as much spine as a stinger-less jellyfish.

If Bernie gets the nomination, which seems increasingly likely to me, he'll defeat Trump easily.


I'm really not sure Bernie would be a sure fire win tbh

Honestly I think he might actually be one of the weaker potential candidates nowadays cuz he doesn't have that minority draw that Dem candidates need to run their numbers up and relying on poaching Trump voters in the Rust Belt, while possible, is a really sketchy game plan.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:03 am

Republic of Penguinian Astronautia wrote:To have sane conversations between politicians in America, we need them to stop straw manning and learn what things mean. Too often, gum policy is broken down as " they say 'common sense' but don't believe them, they're just tyrants who want to take away your guns so you can't resist[with a puny assault weapon]their fascist commie takeover." From the conservatives , and " oh my god everyone is gonna die!" From the liberals. Further, people say things like "there is now definition of assault weapon" on top of that, conservatives don't seem to understand that the gender wage gap, and that it is unequal pay for equal work, not the average among all women.

Also, people need to stop thinking a. That socialism destroys countries and b. That Bernie and AOC advocate socialism.
Finally, the green new deal is nothing new, it's just taking a bunch of widely accepted policies and packaging them together.

Sooo which countries that are socialist still exist and follow the principles of socialism?
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:32 am

Impaled Nazarene wrote:
New haven america wrote:This isn't a poll, this is a fact.

^
Trump is going to win. It's a matter of y'all not being surprised.


There are several indicators (that are valuable) that indicate Trump's re-election won't be all that much easier. His approvals in every state are down and he only won in the first place due to a couple thousand votes across three states.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:33 am

Vassenor wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:And they all said there was no way Hillary could lose to this batshit Trump guy with no tact.


"Polls said Hillary would win so all polls are wrong everywhere forever."

Everybody drink.


Can I just skip to the blackout and maybe the coma part?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:38 am

New haven america wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:Bernie is leading among the Democratic candidates in a new Emerson poll.
https://gritpost.com/bernie-sanders-lea ... onal-poll/

Also, Bernie did a town hall on Fox News and pretty much dominated there.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/ ... gy-1277009


If Bernie gets the nomination, which seems increasingly likely to me, he'll defeat Trump easily.

No he won't.

Especially if he keeps flying the socialist banner about (And even if he does win, Dems are going to lose the House again because of it).

There isn't a single socialist candidate in the 2020 race. Bernie can call himself a demsoc all he wants, but his policies are just progressive liberalism and welfare capitalism.
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Postby The Great-German Empire » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:57 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:There isn't a single socialist candidate in the 2020 race. Bernie can call himself a demsoc all he wants, but his policies are just progressive liberalism and welfare capitalism.


Eh, Americans like to call big-government social democracy "socialism" for some reason. Regardless, it's not a set of policies that could sway political independents.
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