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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Damn already? It seems like we just finished up 2016!

Time is a flat circle


False. It is a cube...
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:48 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Liriena wrote:Time is a flat circle


False. It is a cube...

It's actually Jeremy Bearimy.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:51 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Klobuchar would honestly be the best bet at this point. Yo Dems, you wanted a female president? There ya go.

But where does she stand on Medicare-for-All?


For it: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Amy_Klobuchar.htm

Not that it matters. You see, the US has this thing called the Electoral College. Klobuchar is from the Mid-East, which features numerous swing states, including Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, whose priorities are closely aligned with Klobuchar's own Minnesota. Winning them gives Democrats a 274-264 Electoral College victory.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:52 pm

Liriena wrote:Oh no... not again.. D:

Anyway, if Warren ends up being the nominee, that's pretty good. I'd still prefer Sanders, despite my continuing concerns over that wonderful man's advanced age, but Warren is the next best thing if you're on the left and you prefer pragmatism, reformism or democratic socialism over revolutionary leftism. She's made some dumb decisions here and there (namely, playing into Trump's stupid hands with the whole DNA testing to prove she has native American heritage), but she's got a long, extensive and commendable record of standing up to the plutocrats in DC and in Wall Street.

I think the DNA test incident made Warren lose a ton of credibility, but then again, no presidential candidate in recent history has ever had a clean sheet (except maybe Ross Perot)
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:58 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Liriena wrote:Oh no... not again.. D:

Anyway, if Warren ends up being the nominee, that's pretty good. I'd still prefer Sanders, despite my continuing concerns over that wonderful man's advanced age, but Warren is the next best thing if you're on the left and you prefer pragmatism, reformism or democratic socialism over revolutionary leftism. She's made some dumb decisions here and there (namely, playing into Trump's stupid hands with the whole DNA testing to prove she has native American heritage), but she's got a long, extensive and commendable record of standing up to the plutocrats in DC and in Wall Street.

I think the DNA test incident made Warren lose a ton of credibility, but then again, no presidential candidate in recent history has ever had a clean sheet (except maybe Ross Perot)

I fear that the "Pocahontas" thing is inevitably going to taint her chances if she becomes the nominee, and she has not made herself any favors in diminishing its likely damage.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:14 pm

Liriena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I think the DNA test incident made Warren lose a ton of credibility, but then again, no presidential candidate in recent history has ever had a clean sheet (except maybe Ross Perot)

I fear that the "Pocahontas" thing is inevitably going to taint her chances if she becomes the nominee, and she has not made herself any favors in diminishing its likely damage.


She played herself, spectacularly.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Liriena wrote:I fear that the "Pocahontas" thing is inevitably going to taint her chances if she becomes the nominee, and she has not made herself any favors in diminishing its likely damage.


She played herself, spectacularly.

Boomers simply cannot meme.
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Apparently some of his campaigners felt a different Bern... This could really bite him if he doesn't act on it.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:27 pm


Let’s all place bets on how many women will come out and say they were “sexually harassed” by Trump or his campaign staff

I say at least 20
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:28 pm

Telconi wrote:


Apparently some of his campaigners felt a different Bern... This could really bite him if he doesn't act on it.


I don't think it was the Bern they felt, I think they felt a bern from one or more of his various campaign managers. He doesn't strike me as someone who'd do that, but with a mostly volunteer organizations, some could take advantage of the women.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:30 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Apparently some of his campaigners felt a different Bern... This could really bite him if he doesn't act on it.


I don't think it was the Bern they felt, I think they felt a bern from one or more of his various campaign managers. He doesn't strike me as someone who'd do that, but with a mostly volunteer organizations, some could take advantage of the women.


I doubt it was him specifically, I don't think that's in his nature either. But the point stands, this shot happened on his wstch, and if he doesn't own it and solve it, he's gonna have a hard time down the road.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:30 pm

Warren appeals to most of my views, and I will most likely vote for her if Bernie doesn't run. (YES, I'LL BE LEGAL TO VOTE IN 2018 HALLELUJAH I don't HAVE A VOICE IN THIS COUNTRY)
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:34 pm

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Postby Atheris » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:37 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Queen Elizabeth.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:40 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Queen Elizabeth.

She’d be better than another term with Trump...
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Aureumterra wrote:

Let’s all place bets on how many women will come out and say they were “sexually harassed” by Trump or his campaign staff

I say at least 20

There are already like 19 that have come out against Trump, from 2016.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:03 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Queen Elizabeth.

She’d be better than another term with Trump...


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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Queen Elizabeth.

She’d be better than another term with Trump...

This is becoming the political version of "still a better story than Twilight".
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Postby South Odreria » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:23 pm

Does anyone else feel like Beto is destined to be someone else's veep pick?

Klobuchar is looking like a good bet at current odds. I think Hickenlooper has potential -- he can appeal to the centrist crowd without looking like a robot.
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Postby Atheris » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kowani wrote:She’d be better than another term with Trump...

This is becoming the political version of "still a better story than Twilight".

Columbia x Britannia, guaranteed better love story than Twilight
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:43 pm

South Odreria wrote:Does anyone else feel like Beto is destined to be someone else's veep pick?

Klobuchar is looking like a good bet at current odds. I think Hickenlooper has potential -- he can appeal to the centrist crowd without looking like a robot.

Apparently, yes. Even if I may tend to agree with people like Beto, I kind of feel like he should, you know, get some experience first. And I mean besides being a local congressperson. I feel like our candidates should have at least experience as a governor, congressperson, or Senator, at the federal level, before just thinking they can run for President. Inexperience was an issue with Obama for starters, we don't need that again. Again, agreeing with them or not, I don't just like this trend of electing everyone willy nilly, People should legitimately have some more solid experience first.

Edit: Also floating around names of people who lost elections...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:49 pm

But why Warren
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:04 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:But why Warren
The only more hated dem is Hillary


Because it seems that they did not understand their 2016 fiasco...

Warren is going to get fucking crucified by the Reps.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:09 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:But why Warren
The only more hated dem is Hillary


Probably her turn or something.
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