2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Ifreann]

States already have legislation binding their electors to their popular vote and eliminating bad-faith electors.

You really don't have a legal standing, and as I've mentioned the compact has already stood up to a few legal challenges.

The majority of states already bind how their electors vote in some way.

Faithless elector laws are only enforceable once the vote is cast. Their votes still stand, but they get fined. The Compact is different in that it disenfranchises the electors.

And the Compact has only been theoretically challenged, it hasn't been tested in court in terms of effects.

Why couldn't popular vote laws work the same way? Punish electors that don't vote for the winner of the popular vote the same way faithless electors are punished.

[Ism]

I do. I oppose the EC on principle. If Clinton had won by EC I’d want it gone just the same

Pfft, elections...

We could dispense of such trivial mediums and go straight to direct rule from the people!

Of course, we’ll just use twitter to vote on everything ourselves. What could go wrong?

[Valrifell]

I do. I oppose the EC on principle. If Clinton had won by EC I’d want it gone just the same

Pfft, elections...

We could dispense of such trivial mediums and go straight to direct rule from the people!

I thought you were the radical auth centrist, not an ancom.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Pfft, elections...

We could dispense of such trivial mediums and go straight to direct rule from the people!

I thought you were the radical auth centrist, not an ancom.

Yeah, I brainfarted there, I meant an emergency council of able folk that is in fact eternal.

[Tarsonis]

You know, if we had a Shogunate, we'd be able to solve all this.

And have cool Samurai Clans to boot.

That's literally what the alt-righters want...

[Ifreann]

You know, if we had a Shogunate, we'd be able to solve all this.

And have cool Samurai Clans to boot.

America's military dictatorship with a figurehead emperor wouldn't call itself a Shogunate.

[Farnhamia]

America's military dictatorship with a figurehead emperor wouldn't call itself a Shogunate.

Out of curiosity, what do you think it'd call itself?

It will call itself the United States of America. There won't be anything silly like a name change. The dictatorship will call itself the legitimate government of the country and, I suspect, will talk about how it's tenure is limited and temporary. Once the emergency is over, the republic will be restored.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

America's military dictatorship with a figurehead emperor wouldn't call itself a Shogunate.

Out of curiosity, what do you think it'd call itself?

A Shotgunate

[Bahktar]

It will call itself the United States of America. There won't be anything silly like a name change. The dictatorship will call itself the legitimate government of the country and, I suspect, will talk about how it's tenure is limited and temporary. Once the emergency is over, the republic will be restored.

Well yes but I mean the title of the Dictator.

General of Liberty?

Interim President?

Etc.


Also, the idea of it being temporary, depends on the scenario.

Regardless that's off-topic.

Probably President of the United States if it's the aforementioned scenario.

Either way, on topic. Honestly, I am not one hundred percent sure, but I hope that Buttigieg participates in the debates and gets a good enough of a showing to perhaps, maybe win the nomination, which I know, is probably unlikely, perhaps he could get offered the Vice President slot, but I don't know if that'd be a good suit for him. It would definetly be a contrast between Pence and Buttigieg, imagine Pence realizing his successor (if the Democratic Party wins) is a gay man. Maybe he'd be more suited for a position in cabinet, though.

[North German Realm]

It will call itself the United States of America. There won't be anything silly like a name change. The dictatorship will call itself the legitimate government of the country and, I suspect, will talk about how it's tenure is limited and temporary. Once the emergency is over, the republic will be restored.

Well yes but I mean the title of the Dictator.

General of Liberty?

Interim President?

Etc.


Also, the idea of it being temporary, depends on the scenario.

Regardless that's off-topic.

It won't be off-topic. It will only maintain the rhetoric that it is. A dictatorship, if it wants to have any illusion of legitimacy, will continue to be "The United States of America", keep the flag, and its Head of State will continue to be the "President of the United States"

[Farnhamia]

It will call itself the United States of America. There won't be anything silly like a name change. The dictatorship will call itself the legitimate government of the country and, I suspect, will talk about how it's tenure is limited and temporary. Once the emergency is over, the republic will be restored.

Well yes but I mean the title of the Dictator.

General of Liberty?

Interim President?

Etc.


Also, the idea of it being temporary, depends on the scenario.

Regardless that's off-topic.

It does depend on the scenario and yes, we do digress.

[Saiwania]

I'm not making that mistake the 2nd time around. I'm 100% devoted to Donald Trump now. I don't care if Bernie Sanders would be better for healthcare, fact is he'd still be disastrous on immigration. Trump is doing tons of great work that I failed to recognize. He's not the best, but is still the best the far right has ever had and will have. His 2nd term must be pushed through. I'd be open of course, to him ruling indefinitely if Trump could keep going farther and farther to crush globalism and liberal ideals.

[Ifreann]

I'm not making that mistake the 2nd time around. I'm 100% devoted to Donald Trump now. I don't care if Bernie Sanders would be better for healthcare, fact is he'd still be disastrous on immigration. Trump is doing tons of great work that I failed to recognize. He's not the best, but is still the best the far right has ever had and will have. His 2nd term must be pushed through. I'd be open of course, to him ruling indefinitely if Trump could keep going farther and farther to crush globalism and liberal ideals.

I don't know if you realise this, but you don't actually get anything for "supporting" the candidate who wins.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm not making that mistake the 2nd time around. I'm 100% devoted to Donald Trump now. I don't care if Bernie Sanders would be better for healthcare, fact is he'd still be disastrous on immigration. Trump is doing tons of great work that I failed to recognize. He's not the best, but is still the best the far right has ever had and will have. His 2nd term must be pushed through. I'd be open of course, to him ruling indefinitely if Trump could keep going farther and farther to crush globalism and liberal ideals.

With how frequently you shift gears, you should probably see a mechanic.

[Saiwania]

I don't know if you realise this, but you don't actually get anything for "supporting" the candidate who wins.

There is reason to be even angrier in 2020 than in even 2016. There is a good chance that Trump will lose but 2016 has at least shown me that polls are a bunch of BS and that it can pay off to stick with someone to the very end. Yes, I absolutely abhor how Trump can't embrace getting off of fossil fuels. But the alternative is that the US will become diverse at an even faster pace than if Trump is in office doing a lot to curb undesirable immigration.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There is reason to be even angrier in 2020 than in even 2016.

This is the only correct thing you've said in a long time and it makes me sad that it had to be this.

[Bahktar]

I don't know if you realise this, but you don't actually get anything for "supporting" the candidate who wins.

There is reason to be even angrier in 2020 than in even 2016. There is a good chance that Trump will lose but 2016 has at least shown me that polls are a bunch of BS and that it can pay off to stick with someone to the very end. Yes, I absolutely abhor how Trump can't embrace getting off of fossil fuels. But the alternative is that the US will become diverse at an even faster pace than if Trump is in office doing a lot to curb undesirable immigration.

It was less so the polls, more-so that news outlets hyped the unlikely chance of a Trump victory as 100% certainty that Clinton would win. I don't think the polls were wrong. An unlikely chance is still an unlikely chance and things that are unlikely can happen every day. Trump won critical states by margins that weren't as strong to say that a Trump victory would be certain in the end.

[Telconi]

I'm not making that mistake the 2nd time around. I'm 100% devoted to Donald Trump now. I don't care if Bernie Sanders would be better for healthcare, fact is he'd still be disastrous on immigration. Trump is doing tons of great work that I failed to recognize. He's not the best, but is still the best the far right has ever had and will have. His 2nd term must be pushed through. I'd be open of course, to him ruling indefinitely if Trump could keep going farther and farther to crush globalism and liberal ideals.

I don't know if you realise this, but you don't actually get anything for "supporting" the candidate who wins.

Sure you do, an ideologically friendlier government.

[Zurkerx]

There is reason to be even angrier in 2020 than in even 2016. There is a good chance that Trump will lose but 2016 has at least shown me that polls are a bunch of BS and that it can pay off to stick with someone to the very end. Yes, I absolutely abhor how Trump can't embrace getting off of fossil fuels. But the alternative is that the US will become diverse at an even faster pace than if Trump is in office doing a lot to curb undesirable immigration.

It was less so the polls, more-so that news outlets hyped the unlikely chance of a Trump victory as 100% certainty that Clinton would win. I don't think the polls were wrong. An unlikely chance is still an unlikely chance and things that are unlikely can happen every day. Trump won critical states by margins that weren't as strong to say that a Trump victory would be certain in the end.

General election polls were mostly accurate; it was State polls that were wrong. The only critical State he won by a wide margin was Ohio (9 points!). The others were below 4 points. It should be noted that Clinton also didn't campaign as hard to maintain the Blue Wall. Hell, she didn't even visit Wisconsin if my memory serves correctly; she was so confident that she would win, she didn't bother trying as hard. After all, almost everyone thought Trump would sink himself and Clinton would be our first female President.

[Farnhamia]

It was less so the polls, more-so that news outlets hyped the unlikely chance of a Trump victory as 100% certainty that Clinton would win. I don't think the polls were wrong. An unlikely chance is still an unlikely chance and things that are unlikely can happen every day. Trump won critical states by margins that weren't as strong to say that a Trump victory would be certain in the end.

General election polls were mostly accurate; it was State polls that were wrong. The only critical State he won by a wide margin was Ohio (9 points!). The others were below 4 points. It should be noted that Clinton also didn't campaign as hard to maintain the Blue Wall. Hell, she didn't even visit Wisconsin if my memory serves correctly; she was so confident that she would win, she didn't bother trying as hard. After all, almost everyone thought Trump would sink himself and Clinton would be our first female President.

But now we have notebooks full of women running! We should talk about some of them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

But now we have notebooks full of women running! We should talk about some of them.

The best Woman has got to be Warren or Klobuchar.

Warren? Not a chance lol, she'd get slaughtered in the general.

[Telconi]

The best Woman has got to be Warren or Klobuchar.

Warren? Not a chance lol, she'd get slaughtered in the general.

This is what makes her good.

[Tarsonis]

Out of curiosity, what do you think it'd call itself?

It will call itself the United States of America. There won't be anything silly like a name change. The dictatorship will call itself the legitimate government of the country and, I suspect, will talk about how it's tenure is limited and temporary. Once the emergency is over, the republic will be restored.

I suddenly want Olive Garden

[Valrifell]

Pete Buttigieg: apparently a sexist now because he implied Clinton probably could've handled her campaign better and voters liked to be talked to on their terms and not about the candidate.

I don't know why I seek out these kinds of hot takes, but maybe I'm just a masochist.

[Zurkerx]

General election polls were mostly accurate; it was State polls that were wrong. The only critical State he won by a wide margin was Ohio (9 points!). The others were below 4 points. It should be noted that Clinton also didn't campaign as hard to maintain the Blue Wall. Hell, she didn't even visit Wisconsin if my memory serves correctly; she was so confident that she would win, she didn't bother trying as hard. After all, almost everyone thought Trump would sink himself and Clinton would be our first female President.

But now we have notebooks full of women running! We should talk about some of them.

Did you steal Romney's binders or something?

But now we have notebooks full of women running! We should talk about some of them.

The best Woman has got to be Warren or Klobuchar.

Those two women that are distinctly different ideologically, but Klobuchar has the best chance and maybe Harris. All the other women candidates don't really have a chance in hell.