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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:01 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Telconi wrote:
10/10 would vote for.

Why wouldn’t everyone? It’s putting taxes to good use, unlike wasting it on people who would actually need it. Also, it would help the industry and strengthen the American militia.


>Wasting it on people who would actually need it.

:eyebrow:
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PRO:
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:19 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Why wouldn’t everyone? It’s putting taxes to good use, unlike wasting it on people who would actually need it. Also, it would help the industry and strengthen the American militia.


>Wasting it on people who would actually need it.

:eyebrow:

Imagine helping the elderly and poor when you could get an M2 instead.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:21 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Wasting it on people who would actually need it.

:eyebrow:

Imagine helping the elderly and poor when you could get an M2 instead.


Are the two exclusive?
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PRO:
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-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:24 pm

Telconi wrote:Are the two exclusive?

Yes, otherwise you’ll have to raise taxes.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:26 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Telconi wrote:Are the two exclusive?

Yes, otherwise you’ll have to raise taxes.


Or cut other spending.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Ism
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Postby Ism » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Yes, otherwise you’ll have to raise taxes.


Or cut other spending.


"Why not both?" -John Keynes, probably

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Oranjea
Secretary
 
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Founded: Jan 14, 2019
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Postby Oranjea » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:33 pm

Isn't Bernie just too old? He would enter office at the age of 79, which coincidentally is the average life expectancy of American men. There is a serious chance he will die in office, or otherwise be severely impaired (Reagan ringing a bell?) His VP pick better be good.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:34 pm

Ism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or cut other spending.


"Why not both?" -John Keynes, probably


^
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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South Odreria
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Founded: Oct 31, 2018
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Postby South Odreria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:35 pm

Valrifell wrote:
South Odreria wrote:
Buttigieg is maybe running for HUD secretary, and Indiana statewide office after that.


Just, like, a question but have you seen or read him before?


Not in person as he didn't tell me he was coming to my town. I've seen some of his videos and looked at his platform, and he seems like a reasonable and cool guy. Considering he did a good job on housing and urban development in South Bend, housing and urban development secretary seems like a good fit. As I said before, I would also support him for governor, though he would be in an uphill battle given that Holcomb believes in the concepts of infrastructure and education.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:49 pm

South Odreria wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Just, like, a question but have you seen or read him before?


Not in person as he didn't tell me he was coming to my town. I've seen some of his videos and looked at his platform, and he seems like a reasonable and cool guy. Considering he did a good job on housing and urban development in South Bend, housing and urban development secretary seems like a good fit. As I said before, I would also support him for governor, though he would be in an uphill battle given that Holcomb believes in the concepts of infrastructure and education.


And that's essentially the problem, it's not exactly clear if Buttigieg can win a statewide contest, especially given that Donnelly was an unexpectedly bad flop in 2018. He also already tried for a statewide office and lost, so there's that. His Congressional district broke for Trump by a margin of something like 20% of the vote, too, so that's also not an easy option.

The problem for Buttigieg is that he's clearly talented but there's not a lot of clear steps for his career considering Indiana.
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South Odreria
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Postby South Odreria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:
South Odreria wrote:
Not in person as he didn't tell me he was coming to my town. I've seen some of his videos and looked at his platform, and he seems like a reasonable and cool guy. Considering he did a good job on housing and urban development in South Bend, housing and urban development secretary seems like a good fit. As I said before, I would also support him for governor, though he would be in an uphill battle given that Holcomb believes in the concepts of infrastructure and education.


And that's essentially the problem, it's not exactly clear if Buttigieg can win a statewide contest, especially given that Donnelly was an unexpectedly bad flop in 2018. He also already tried for a statewide office and lost, so there's that. His Congressional district broke for Trump by a margin of something like 20% of the vote, too, so that's also not an easy option.

The problem for Buttigieg is that he's clearly talented but there's not a lot of clear steps for his career considering Indiana.


If there are no easy races available he'll just have to win a hard one.
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Gig em Aggies
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:24 pm

South Odreria wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
And that's essentially the problem, it's not exactly clear if Buttigieg can win a statewide contest, especially given that Donnelly was an unexpectedly bad flop in 2018. He also already tried for a statewide office and lost, so there's that. His Congressional district broke for Trump by a margin of something like 20% of the vote, too, so that's also not an easy option.

The problem for Buttigieg is that he's clearly talented but there's not a lot of clear steps for his career considering Indiana.


If there are no easy races available he'll just have to win a hard one.

which is difficult since on hes a mayor of a city and really has no options to actually further his career except through the State Government.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:25 pm

South Odreria wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
And that's essentially the problem, it's not exactly clear if Buttigieg can win a statewide contest, especially given that Donnelly was an unexpectedly bad flop in 2018. He also already tried for a statewide office and lost, so there's that. His Congressional district broke for Trump by a margin of something like 20% of the vote, too, so that's also not an easy option.

The problem for Buttigieg is that he's clearly talented but there's not a lot of clear steps for his career considering Indiana.


If there are no easy races available he'll just have to win a hard one.


The presidency sounds hard :p
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Bahktar
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Postby Bahktar » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:27 pm

Perhaps Buttigieg could go for a seat in the House of Representatives, but I don't know if that's better than his current position.
Honestly, I like Buttigieg so far, so I think he could be an alright pick for the Vice President slot. Maybe even President. But I'm not fully sure.

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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:32 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Bahktar wrote:Perhaps Buttigieg could go for a seat in the House of Representatives, but I don't know if that's better than his current position.
Honestly, I like Buttigieg so far, so I think he could be an alright pick for the Vice President slot. Maybe even President. But I'm not fully sure.

I want him as a Senator honestly. Or perhaps, Secretary of State, or, Secretary of HUD.


Maybe if Donnelly won or didn't lose as badly as he did then it'd be a plausible option. But regardless the next Senate contest for Indiana is in 2024. The House is definitely more viable, but again his district is surprisingly red leaning, so that could go either way.

A job in the new administration or (if miracles exist) heading it would probably be the next (and pretty much only) logical step.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:35 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Maybe if Donnelly won or didn't lose as badly as he did then it'd be a plausible option. But regardless the next Senate contest for Indiana is in 2024. The House is definitely more viable, but again his district is surprisingly red leaning, so that could go either way.

A job in the new administration or (if miracles exist) heading it would probably be the next (and pretty much only) logical step.

Governor?


I don't know if he's the perfect candidate for Indiana, tbh, but I don't really know a lot about the state to make that kind of judgement. Buut, Holcomb is an incumbent and unseating incumbents is traditionally very difficult and if he went directly for that instead of the Presidency then he'd also be fighting name recognition.
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Cerinda
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Postby Cerinda » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:36 pm

#YangGang ftw.
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South Odreria
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Postby South Odreria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Maybe if Donnelly won or didn't lose as badly as he did then it'd be a plausible option. But regardless the next Senate contest for Indiana is in 2024. The House is definitely more viable, but again his district is surprisingly red leaning, so that could go either way.

A job in the new administration or (if miracles exist) heading it would probably be the next (and pretty much only) logical step.


There is a 2022 senate race. But a cabinet position for one term and then running for senate or governor seems reasonable.
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Corrian
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Postby Corrian » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:37 pm

There are so many candidates I like this time around, which is refreshing. A lot I just want their voices in the debate, and maybe in a place in one of their administrations.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:39 pm

South Odreria wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Maybe if Donnelly won or didn't lose as badly as he did then it'd be a plausible option. But regardless the next Senate contest for Indiana is in 2024. The House is definitely more viable, but again his district is surprisingly red leaning, so that could go either way.

A job in the new administration or (if miracles exist) heading it would probably be the next (and pretty much only) logical step.


There is a 2022 senate race. But a cabinet position for one term and then running for senate or governor seems reasonable.


Didn't see that one.

Yeah, my cynical head thinks that was his grand plan. Run as a dark horse for President, get exposed every which way, lose or secure an administration job, and then run for Senate or Governor. My idealist head is all in for Buttigieg, tho.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:17 pm

Corrian wrote:There are so many candidates I like this time around, which is refreshing. A lot I just want their voices in the debate, and maybe in a place in one of their administrations.

Just as long as they don't eat each other in the process. I mean, wags on the internet will, but honestly, who really cares what wags on the internet say.

Yes, I'm a wag on the internet. For fucks sake, if anyone is putting serious stakes in the stuff I pontificate, evaluate your life.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ism wrote:
"Why not both?" -John Keynes, probably


^

Logic, get out.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:18 pm

Cerinda wrote:#YangGang ftw.

I beg you to reconsider.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cerinda wrote:#YangGang ftw.

I beg you to reconsider.


As the ideological opposite to the poster, I must also beg you to reconsider.
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Postby Cerinda » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:27 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Cerinda wrote:#YangGang ftw.

I beg you to reconsider.

Nah
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