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Out of the candidates who are in/have exploratory committees, who would you support?

President Donald Trump
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41%
Sen. Elizabeth Warren
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42%
Former HUD Secretary Julian Castro
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5%
Soon-to-be Former Congressman John Delaney
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1%
WV State Sen. Richard Ojeda
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10%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:18 am

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I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.


Probably not, it's hardly a winning prospect.


A Republican running a primary against Trump would almost certainly not win and wouldn't expect to win, it would be an act of spite. There are a few Republicans out there who might want to, either a neocon or a Republican whose policy positions aren't all too different from Trump's, but you know, someone who believes in "civility."
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:21 am

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Probably not, it's hardly a winning prospect.


A Republican running a primary against Trump would almost certainly not win and wouldn't expect to win, it would be an act of spite. There are a few Republicans out there who might want to, either a neocon or a Republican whose policy positions aren't all too different from Trump's, but you know, someone who believes in "civility."

It would be really funny to see Pence run against Trump though
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Postby Somerville » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:22 am

Dresderstan wrote:*bangs head on desk*

Can't we at least get one year without having to deal with an election just once in my life!?

Are you kidding? Every year is a year for campaigning! I hear the candidates for 2024 are already gathering funding!
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:24 am

Somerville wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:*bangs head on desk*

Can't we at least get one year without having to deal with an election just once in my life!?

Are you kidding? Every year is a year for campaigning! I hear the candidates for 2024 are already gathering funding!

This is when I envy the French and their five year terms
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:30 am

Dems don’t really have a revolutionary anti-establishment person like Trump for the GOP, Sanders will possibly have an independent campaign though, and Warren may face opposition from Booker in primaries

I’m much more worried about the Icelandic presidential election, so I probably won’t have much time to be as involved in following the US election
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:36 am

Aureumterra wrote:Dems don’t really have a revolutionary anti-establishment person like Trump for the GOP, Sanders will possibly have an independent campaign though, and Warren may face opposition from Booker in primaries
election


If Sanders runs, he'll run as a Democrat and if he doesn't win, he'll support the nominee. That's what he did before. Bernie cares about the greater good. Although certain Democrats still blame Sanders for Trump because he dared contest Clinton's coronation.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:37 am

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Probably not, it's hardly a winning prospect.


A Republican running a primary against Trump would almost certainly not win and wouldn't expect to win, it would be an act of spite. There are a few Republicans out there who might want to, either a neocon or a Republican whose policy positions aren't all too different from Trump's, but you know, someone who believes in "civility."


Trump may be a garbage Republican, but he's a better one that Elizabeth Warren.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:38 am

Major-Tom wrote:Not surprised about Warren.

I respect her career as a former crusader for Consumer Protection, as well as her career as a policymaker. What I don't respect is her obtuse grandstanding this last year or so - it's become obnoxious, and politically, it's shot her in the foot.

I know Castro also has formed an exploratory committee. I'm neutral on him - I think that he may be a little on the inexperienced side, perhaps also too opportunistic, but I don't know of any major policy points on which he and I would vehemently disagree.

I think that there are potentially some terrible choices for the Dems in 2020, and potentially some incredible choices. Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.

I still kind of feel like she's best off in the Senate. I like her, and I'd gladly take her as President, but I'm also not certain she's the best progressive candidate for President and she could honestly probably do more with her big push towards consumer protection in the Senate than the White House.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:39 am

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Major-Tom wrote:Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.


That's sort of like hoping for snow in hell, I'm certainly not getting my hopes up. I have a feeling the DNC will push for a candidate who "gets it", and by "gets it", I mean someone who gets that the President has to do the bidding of Goldman Sachs, big pharma, the oil lobby, and the military industrial complex.


That's a little hyperbolic, but I don't doubt that the DNC will push for an establishment candidate with the best fundraising abilities, regardless of said candidate's elect-ability or credentials.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:39 am

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Klobuchar is an interesting choice, and one that I'm actually considering. But on the whole, I'd rather not have a congress critter. Those seats are worth their weight in gold.


Klobuchar is immensely popular in Minnesota and has proven to be an effective Senator. Her electability aside, which I believe is high, she’d also likely be an effective and conciliatory President.

MN also leans Blue, I’m sure a hypothetical 2020 Special Election for her seat wouldn’t be particularly competitive.

I feel like her popularity there would work well in the general in other rust belt states. She's also constantly pushing through bipartisan bills, which is great.
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Postby Zex » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:47 am

Valrifell wrote:
Page wrote:I'll write a substantial post after I find out this thread won't be closed.

Here's a short one: I'd love it if either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren run, I'd vote for either, I just hope both of them don't run, cause if the progressive vote is split then a corporate Dem will win.

Sanders is the stronger general candidate imo. If he runs, Warren should respectfully bow out and coordinate efforts.

Any chance of them running together.

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Postby Card Carrying Loon » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:52 am

I expect the Dems to run Hilary again. Probably the only one who can't beat Trump. :p

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Card Carrying Loon wrote:I expect the Dems to run Hilary again. Probably the only one who can't beat Trump. :p

Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico
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Postby Zex » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:59 am

Major-Tom wrote:Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.
I hope they stay as bias and openly undermine political hopefuls within' their party. Whatever it takes to get the Trump re-elected.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:00 am

Any Klobuchar is pretty underrated but she is a strong candidate. Her electability in the lean blue (but not strong blue) state of Minnesota is a major asset as well as being a Midwesterner. Sherrod Brown is more progressive than Klobuchar and his electability is also an asset, particularly in the lean red state of Ohio.

Elizabeth Warren is also progressive, but she has more baggages against her, particularly the DNA test and Pocahontas stuff.

All those others (Ojeda, Delaney) don't stand much of a chance.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:03 am

Been a wild ride these past years.

Deadly far left and far right riots spurred on by President Donald Trump. Defunding of the CDC leaving the US wide open for any possible rapid spreading disease.
Gag ordering the EPA. Lowering NASA's budget and forcing them to stop measuring carbon levels in the atmosphere.

Rebounding anti-science views such as anti vaccination being promoted by Trump's own tweets. The recent shutdown of the government that refused to pay for the wall. The people sang out represented congress spoke against the wall and Trump refused to let the people sing. Failing to build the wall quickly. Falling to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Introducing the idea of a wall in the first place when it wouldn't stop the number one source of illegal immigration IE: expired visas.

Not visiting WW1 heroes in there final resting place beacuse of light rain when other world leaders, like my countries Justin Trudeau, made the visit to France just fine. Blaming video games for school shootings when no evidence exists that they cause school shootings.

All these reasons and more are strong reasons why Trump should not be the US president and should not be reelected.

Bernie Sanders would be the optimal person, but a centrist left or right leaning would be even better than optimal in my eyes. America needs to unite, not divide. Bernie or a centrist would be just the kinda person to stop the nation from tearing it self in half.



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Postby Zex » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:05 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Card Carrying Loon wrote:I expect the Dems to run Hilary again. Probably the only one who can't beat Trump. :p

Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico
Wishful thinking about Illinois, but I'll grant that last election it was possible... Doubtful now. Regardless, I'm sure he is a shoe in.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:09 am

Zex wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Just hoping the DNC stays as neutral as possible for the primaries.
I hope they stay as bias and openly undermine political hopefuls within' their party. Whatever it takes to get the Trump re-elected.


Zex wrote:I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.


As a person who sees happiness as the most important thing in life I suggest that you take the above statement into consideration when forming your opinion on Zex's opions.


Zex, I hope you see the error of your ways. Compassion is a strength. Wrath is a sin.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:09 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Card Carrying Loon wrote:I expect the Dems to run Hilary again. Probably the only one who can't beat Trump. :p

Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico

Yeah, his approvals are in the negatives in most of the rust belt now. And there is no way in hell he's winning Illinois. And I don't think New Mexico has been a battleground state in a while.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:11 am

Corrian wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico

Yeah, his approvals are in the negatives in most of the rust belt now. And there is no way in hell he's winning Illinois. And I don't think New Mexico has been a battleground state in a while.

Minnesota is a lean blue state and the rest of the Midwest is a tossup, except for Indiana (safe red), Illinois (safe blue) and Ohio (lean red).
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:12 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Zex wrote:I hope they stay as bias and openly undermine political hopefuls within' their party. Whatever it takes to get the Trump re-elected.


Zex wrote:I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.


As a person who sees happiness as the most important thing in life I suggest that you take the above statement into consideration when forming your opinion on Zex's opions.


Zex, I hope you see the error of your ways. Compassion is a strength. Wrath is a sin.


Who's happiness tho?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:14 am

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


As a person who sees happiness as the most important thing in life I suggest that you take the above statement into consideration when forming your opinion on Zex's opions.


Zex, I hope you see the error of your ways. Compassion is a strength. Wrath is a sin.


Who's happiness tho?


Your own happiness.

Everyone should be happy.
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:14 am

Outer Sparta wrote:Any Klobuchar is pretty underrated but she is a strong candidate. Her electability in the lean blue (but not strong blue) state of Minnesota is a major asset as well as being a Midwesterner. Sherrod Brown is more progressive than Klobuchar and his electability is also an asset, particularly in the lean red state of Ohio.

Elizabeth Warren is also progressive, but she has more baggages against her, particularly the DNA test and Pocahontas stuff.

All those others (Ojeda, Delaney) don't stand much of a chance.

For reference for others in here, Klubuchar won reelection in a typically consistently blue but by usually by small margins state with 60% of the vote. 60%. That's pretty massive. And I feel like her appeal could brush over to other midwest states, albeit not likely as much as in Minnesota.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:15 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Who's happiness tho?


Your own happiness.

Everyone should be happy.


Presumably Zex is just acting to advance his own happiness...
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Postby Corrian » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:16 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Corrian wrote:Yeah, his approvals are in the negatives in most of the rust belt now. And there is no way in hell he's winning Illinois. And I don't think New Mexico has been a battleground state in a while.

Minnesota is a lean blue state and the rest of the Midwest is a tossup, except for Indiana (safe red), Illinois (safe blue) and Ohio (lean red).

Ohio seems to have shifted to more red recently. There was a possibility of a Democratic governor, though I wasn't surprised a Republican won with Kasich' popularity. But it seems to be more lean Republican than the tossup it used to be. I feel like Indiana has shifted to a solid red state recently for some reason. I'm not quite sure why, but it has definitely had a major shift from when Obama won it.
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