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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

South Odreria wrote:
Wow, good point!

You'll eventually learn that nobody here actually cares for reasoning and facts and will never change their minds as a result of such things if it comes from the other side.

Major-Tom wrote:
Well, elaborate. I can see why you personally would disagree with her policies, but she's observably intelligent, poised and "normal." Compared to the batshit antics of many politicians of the last few decades, I'd call her sane.

Granted, I'm skeptical of her as a candidate, as I view her as perhaps overly opportunistic and flip-floppy, but certainly not insane.

I find a quite large number of her supported policies and positions to be quite the opposite of sane. Sure you could say she's more couth than Trump but I don't particularly care about that, I care more about the underlying ideas and motives.

Page wrote:

Enjuku wrote:Gabbard:
Pros: Bernie base, veteran, ohana means family
Cons: pro-Assad, Ron Paul from Hawaii, looooong history of homophobia and islamophobia

She's not pro-Assad, she's anti al-Queda.

Two possible outcomes for Syria: Assad wins, or Syria collapses into a failed state where radical Islamist extremists run wild. Pick one. Tulsi Gabbard is one of the few people who had the common sense to think "Yeah Assad is an asshole, but holy shit why is the US government arming al-Queda?"

And so what if she was homophobic in the past? Most people alive today were homophobic at one point in their life. We're all shaped by our environment, influenced by religion and culture. What matters is realizing you were wrong and then doing what you can to fight for justice, and all of her actions as a Congresswoman have been 100% pro-LGBT. We can't all be expected to be enlightened from the day we're born.

Farnhamia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Well, elaborate. I can see why you personally would disagree with her policies, but she's observably intelligent, poised and "normal." Compared to the batshit antics of many politicians of the last few decades, I'd call her sane.

Granted, I'm skeptical of her as a candidate, as I view her as perhaps overly opportunistic and flip-floppy, but certainly not insane.

How so flip-floppy? As John Maynard Keyne said, "When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?" It is alright for a politician to change their mind if they find new information on an issue.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:Trump's opposition is:

- A woman who is drunk before she touches a beer, that nobody really likes except out of pity
- A discount Hillary Clinton from New York
- Latino guy who looks like Joker without makeup who spend 3 years claiming a wage for a job he made less impact in than this guy
- Random WV plebeian cupcake who will lose the nomination for being a white male anyway
- Random MD plebeian cupcake who is far too moderate and white and male for Dems

I'd say Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and can walk through this election blindfolded and still win.

Trump's presidency so far is:

- Disrespecting fallen WW1 soldiers beacuse light rain
- Lowering CDC funding
- Stopping NASA from measuring carbon levels
- Let his FCC stomp out Net Neutrality
- Holding the government hostage beacuse congress said no to his wall
- Blaming school shootings on video games
- Separating Migrant Families


All the US needs is someone sane to replace him as president, and the dems can provide.

Also no one gives a shit about the candidates being white males. That doesn't factor in at all.

Trumptonium1 wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Trump's presidency so far is:

- Disrespecting fallen WW1 soldiers beacuse light rain
- Lowering CDC funding
- Stopping NASA from measuring carbon levels
- Let his FCC stomp out Net Neutrality
- Holding the government hostage beacuse congress said no to his wall
- Blaming school shootings on video games
- Separating Migrant Families


All the US needs is someone sane to replace him as president, and the dems can provide.

Also no one gives a shit about the candidates being white males. That doesn't factor in at all.

demonstrably false, even in the post above mine

democrats are obsessed with non-issues like race and gender, and couldn't wait to elect the "FIRST WOMAN" and the "FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN" and a heap of other "FIRSTS" because FIRST = PROGESS.

Longweather wrote: not that they should be a primary or even secondary factor for voting for her.

Trumptonium1 wrote:Trump's opposition is:

- A woman who is drunk before she touches a beer, that nobody really likes except out of pity
- A discount Hillary Clinton from New York
- Latino guy who looks like Joker without makeup who spend 3 years claiming a wage for a job he made less impact in than this guy
- Random WV plebeian cupcake who will lose the nomination for being a white male anyway
- Random MD plebeian cupcake who is far too moderate and white and male for Dems

I'd say Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and can walk through this election blindfolded and still win.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's funny cuz he's from California and it pretty much is another reality

Hey now. He is Northern California. Different type of people.

South Odreria wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
bullshit lol

Wow, good point!

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
demonstrably false, even in the post above mine

democrats are obsessed with non-issues like race and gender, and couldn't wait to elect the "FIRST WOMAN" and the "FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN" and a heap of other "FIRSTS" because FIRST = PROGESS.

Longweather wrote: not that they should be a primary or even secondary factor for voting for her.

You need to grind more on that reading comprehension skill. At best race and gender are a minor detail mentioned in passing.

Democrats are not obsessed with race and gender, that's what the propaganda you read says. Not realty.

The Black Forrest wrote:

South Odreria wrote:
Wow, good point!

Well lad its simple. She doesn't like guns so people like WRA and Telc automatically hate her.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

Longweather wrote:Gabbard is the candidate I'd like to see as the Democratic nominee. Aside from liking her experience, voting record, change in stances, and willingness to critique members of her own party, I think she also would have a nice intersection of "firsts" if she was elected. She's got ethnicity/race, religion, location of birth, and sex going for her on that front... not that they should be a primary or even secondary factor for voting for her.

However, I feel that Warren or Harris would be likely candidates out of those either with a campaign or an exploratory committee. Unless Bernie or Biden throw their hats in the ring, they have the most name recognition.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

Major-Tom wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You'll eventually learn that nobody here actually cares for reasoning and facts and will never change their minds as a result of such things if it comes from the other side.



I find a quite large number of her supported policies and positions to be quite the opposite of sane. Sure you could say she's more couth than Trump but I don't particularly care about that, I care more about the underlying ideas and motives.

Unless the policies proposed are nutjobby or zany, I myself stay away from describing an elected official as "sane or insane" based on policy differences. Granted, there is some nuance, a politician like Steve King for instance, I would say is bonkers from a policy standpoint.

As for "underlying ideas and motives," how do you mean? I mean, that's a little broad.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Kamala Harris is sane, unlike Trump.

Kamala Harris and/ or anyone else 2020.


Trump is a bad president for shutting down the government for over a month.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:





You need to grind more on that reading comprehension skill. At best race and gender are a minor detail mentioned in passing.

Democrats are not obsessed with race and gender, that's what the propaganda you read says. Not realty.

Uhm, yes they are.

They've been chugging the IdPol juice jug since 2016 now.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Uhm, yes they are.

They've been chugging the IdPol juice jug since 2016 now.

More and more people on the left are breaking the bs chains of Idpol.

They just dont care about race or gender.

US-SSR wrote:You who voted for Stein, who voted for Johnson, who were too butthurt over Bernie to bother to vote or who couldn't bring yourself to vote for the most qualified Presidential candidate in my long lifetime because she was a woman, remember that this is on you. The longest shutdown in history to feed a fragile narcissist's ego. A White House that most resembles a knife fight in a clown car towing a dumpster fire over a cliff. Supine submission in the Senate. A corrupt, venal, callous and feckless administration in cahoots with the nation's most formidable adversary. Drunken sycophants on the Supreme Court. Children torn from their parents' arms for seeking help from your country. The US hemorrhaging influence, prestige and power. Gangs of racist, xenophobic misogynists in red hats roaming the streets of the nation's capital. All this is on you. All this and more.

Choose more wisely next time.

Tobleste wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Kamala Harris is sane, unlike Trump.

Kamala Harris and/ or anyone else 2020.


Trump is a bad president for shutting down the government for over a month.

That reminds me of an article title from 2016. It read "I endorse Hillary Clinton for president. Or Gary Johnson. Or jill Stein."