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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:17 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I hope Bernie Sanders runs again.

He’d lose again

He might lose a primary, but I think he'd be a pretty safe bet in the general. Dude is popular, moreso than pretty much every other elligible democrat.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:26 am

Liriena wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:He’d lose again

He might lose a primary, but I think he'd be a pretty safe bet in the general. Dude is popular, moreso than pretty much every other elligible democrat.

With the exception of Joe Biden.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:50 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:As it stands, im likely to vote Trump in the general unless a democrat that runs purely on fiscal responsibility pops up.... Stop running deficits while we are at full employment you dimwits!!!

>Fiscal responsibility
>Trump

Maybe a Republican like Kasich, Ryan(unlikely due to his poor record since 2016), Romney, Rand Paul, or Jeb!, but Trump?

Yeah....You'd have better luck making people believe Bernie Sanders is actually much less leftist than most Republicans even and that in truth his stances are centrist or conservative.


Actually, I dare to say that Trump's economic policies have formed a very consistent whole, and benefited the US greatly.

Of course, I am cheering for Trump because even if there is a lot that I disagree about with him, he is the president whose ideas align with national interests of Poland in closest manner.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:57 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:As it stands, im likely to vote Trump in the general unless a democrat that runs purely on fiscal responsibility pops up.... Stop running deficits while we are at full employment you dimwits!!!

>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.


That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:57 am

I m not American, nor I live there, so I m not voting into the poll, nevertheless: senator E Warren, does she said to embrace the 'Tobin tax', (so called: 'financial tax'?)

and about the Seagull law (banks), what is her concept about, anyway? ..then about passed 'tax reform'; tax bonuses for the hi-tech giants chain?(apple, amazon, google, facebook)
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:23 pm

For the love of God nominate Warren. This election would be hilarious.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.


That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.


That would help the people inside the US. The wall does nothing to help people in the US.

That 5 billion would ballon to even more beacuse of repare costs.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:30 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.


That would help the people inside the US. The wall does nothing to help people in the US.

That 5 billion would ballon to even more beacuse of repare costs.


I mean, you're entitled to your opinion.
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Postby Ubekibekibekibekistanstan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:34 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.


That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.

Such a plan could actually save America money when looking at both government and other costs. link

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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:38 pm

Ubekibekibekibekistanstan wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.

Such a plan could actually save America money when looking at both government and other costs. link


It could, but then the issue comes to where those cost savings are distributed, and, rather it actually successfully does save money.
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Postby Nordengrund » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:00 pm

Please give me a libertarian candidate.
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:As it stands, im likely to vote Trump in the general unless a democrat that runs purely on fiscal responsibility pops up.... Stop running deficits while we are at full employment you dimwits!!!

"fiscal responsibility" is a spook

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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:06 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:As it stands, im likely to vote Trump in the general unless a democrat that runs purely on fiscal responsibility pops up.... Stop running deficits while we are at full employment you dimwits!!!

>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.

I never said Trump was fiscally responsible in any form, I just find him more appealing that most of the socialists that will be running for the Dems this year... still hoping a moderate fiscally responsible Dem will enter the race, someone willing to raise taxes a bit and cut spending... This is the perfect time to be running surpluses opposed to the last eight years of deficits
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:11 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:>Fiscal responsibility
>Trump

Maybe a Republican like Kasich, Ryan(unlikely due to his poor record since 2016), Romney, Rand Paul, or Jeb!, but Trump?

Yeah....You'd have better luck making people believe Bernie Sanders is actually much less leftist than most Republicans even and that in truth his stances are centrist or conservative.


Actually, I dare to say that Trump's economic policies have formed a very consistent whole, and benefited the US greatly.

Of course, I am cheering for Trump because even if there is a lot that I disagree about with him, he is the president whose ideas align with national interests of Poland in closest manner.

Except for the fact that he is running a near trillion dollar deficit, resulting in high inflationary pressures (because we are currently sitting under full employment) and forcing the fed to raise interest rates that our generation will have to pay later on down the road (As per the Keynesian aggregate supply curve)... The tax cuts were really unwise for the long run

In fact, its this exact recent that Bush Sr raised taxes rather than lowered them, he recognized the threat that the inflationary pressures and higher interest rates had on the younger generations of the nation... The budget needs to be balanced, we are not in a recession anymore
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:14 pm

Arlenton wrote:For the love of God nominate Warren. This election would be hilarious.

The DNC would be foolish enough, but I reckon they want someone a tad more establishment-friendly.
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:18 pm

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I was wanting to get the head start as it sounds like a good bit of candidates might declare next month.


I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I think Flake may attempt a primary challenge. Maybe Romney, too. But almost certainly Flake. He's been trying to stay in the public eye and appear as a bipartisan, moderate person, and I don't think he's just gonna end his political career at such a young age like this; I believe with ~85% certainty that he'll attempt to primary Trump. And if Trump continues the way he's going, I'd say Flake has potential path to the nomination.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:27 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:For the love of God nominate Warren. This election would be hilarious.

The DNC would be foolish enough, but I reckon they want someone a tad more establishment-friendly.

My money is on Biden, Harris, or Booker. I just want Warren because I think she’d be the easiest to beat as well as for the memes.

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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:28 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Page wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I think Flake may attempt a primary challenge. Maybe Romney, too. But almost certainly Flake. He's been trying to stay in the public eye and appear as a bipartisan, moderate person, and I don't think he's just gonna end his political career at such a young age like this; I believe with ~85% certainty that he'll attempt to primary Trump. And if Trump continues the way he's going, I'd say Flake has potential path to the nomination.

Romney won’t. And there is no way any Republican could primary Trump.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:31 pm

Arlenton wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:I think Flake may attempt a primary challenge. Maybe Romney, too. But almost certainly Flake. He's been trying to stay in the public eye and appear as a bipartisan, moderate person, and I don't think he's just gonna end his political career at such a young age like this; I believe with ~85% certainty that he'll attempt to primary Trump. And if Trump continues the way he's going, I'd say Flake has potential path to the nomination.

Romney won’t. And there is no way any Republican could primary Trump.

Successfully, no. But I'd give credit to Republicans who try.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.


That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.


No it isn't. Single-payer healthcare would be a significant tax saving compared to the current "pick up the tab on the most expensive emergency treatments after completely ignoring it for long enough for it to get there".
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:38 pm

Arlenton wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:I think Flake may attempt a primary challenge. Maybe Romney, too. But almost certainly Flake. He's been trying to stay in the public eye and appear as a bipartisan, moderate person, and I don't think he's just gonna end his political career at such a young age like this; I believe with ~85% certainty that he'll attempt to primary Trump. And if Trump continues the way he's going, I'd say Flake has potential path to the nomination.

Romney won’t. And there is no way any Republican could primary Trump.

The odds of Romney running are significantly lower. However, I disagree with the idea that no republican can primary Trump. Flake has a decent national profile, and would garner significant support from GOP moderates and people who dislike trump within the GOP. While Trump, as the incumbent, of course has the upper hand, I wouldn't discount a primary challenge, especially considering Flake, being unemployed in 2 days, has about a year to start campaigning early, without a whole lot of issues to derail his campaign nor an office to worry about. That kind of jumpstart could boost him, and he's already visited New Hampshire once. I expect he'll run a campaign against extreme partisanship, corruption, and fiscal waste. There is a path to the nomination for him, albeit a foggy one at the moment. He's got an uphill battle, but it's far from impossible. Stranger things have happened (such as Trump getting elected)

Full disclosure: I am a Democrat, and I have no intention of supporting any current republicans in the 2020 campaign (I am currently supporting Senator Kamala Harris). I'm simply stating that I believe Flake will challenge Trump for the nomination, and that I believe his campaign is not completely unviable.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:41 pm

All things considered, I'm not entirely opposed to voting for Biden if the current administration stays its course.
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:42 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Romney won’t. And there is no way any Republican could primary Trump.

Successfully, no. But I'd give credit to Republicans who try.

Sure they can try. And Romney won’t be one of them, and by the looks of it will probably endorse the President. And will hopefully be used to appeal to the Romney ‘12-Clinton ‘16 voters for Trump’s reelection campaign.

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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:42 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:As it stands, im likely to vote Trump in the general unless a democrat that runs purely on fiscal responsibility pops up.... Stop running deficits while we are at full employment you dimwits!!!

>Trump
>fiscal responsibility

Tell that to the 5 billon dollars he plans to blow on a wall.

Or the ONE AND A HALF TRILLION dollars his tax "cuts" (read: for the rich) have added to the deficit. Party of "fiscal responsibility" my ass.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jan 01, 2019 1:51 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
That's magnitudes less than Berne wants to spend on single payer healthcare.


No it isn't. Single-payer healthcare would be a significant tax saving compared to the current "pick up the tab on the most expensive emergency treatments after completely ignoring it for long enough for it to get there".


Cost estimates for single payer are around 2.5 trillion, which is a lot more than five billion.
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