2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Models and bottles]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.co ... 0-campaign

[Horatius Cocles]

Not sure if this has come up already, but any thoughts on Klobuchar? Under her mild manner, she does have a progressive track record.

[Northern Davincia]

NY and California are good examples of blue states that are in the process of self-immolation by being too blue.

That is an outlandishly false claim. When Jerry Brown became governor of CA we it was bankrupt. Now we have a big surplus. Does "self-immolation" mean "paying for what you spend" or am I missing something.

Unfortunately for you, California is experiencing the same variant of population loss as NY, although our situation is far more dire. High taxes and a hostile business climate will do that.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

That is an outlandishly false claim. When Jerry Brown became governor of CA we it was bankrupt. Now we have a big surplus. Does "self-immolation" mean "paying for what you spend" or am I missing something.

Unfortunately for you, California is experiencing the same variant of population loss as NY, although our situation is far more dire. High taxes and a hostile business climate will do that.

And housing that apparently costs all your limbs and organs just to rent...

[Vetalia]

I'm torn; Elizabeth Warren aligns with Trump on a lot of foreign policy issues, especially getting out of the ME and Asia and all of the dumbass, pointless wars Bush/Nobel Peace Prize Obama got us involved in but on the other hand I really don't like her opposition to building the border wall to control drugs and illegal immigration. That being said, even if we don't build more walls we need to seriously punish companies that hire illegal immigrants by implementing E-Verify as mandatory for all US employers...exploiting illegal labor due to the low cost and under-the-table payment is a big problem that needs to be stopped in any case. If Warren supports that, especially considering how this system allows employers to exploit illegal aliens, I'm all for it. For me, this is a foreign policy and border control election.

On the other hand, Trump's tax cuts have been beneficial to me personally and a good step towards simplifying the US tax code. But going back to the other hand, we desperately need to normalize monetary policy, and Trump's stupid comments on the matter haven't helped.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

I'm torn; Elizabeth Warren aligns with Trump on a lot of foreign policy issues, especially getting out of the ME and Asia and all of the dumbass, pointless wars Bush/Nobel Peace Prize Obama got us involved in but on the other hand I really don't like her opposition to building the border wall to control drugs and illegal immigration. That being said, even if we don't build more walls we need to seriously punish companies that hire illegal immigrants by implementing E-Verify as mandatory for all US employers...exploiting illegal labor due to the low cost and under-the-table payment is a big problem that needs to be stopped in any case. If Warren supports that, especially considering how this system allows employers to exploit illegal aliens, I'm all for it. For me, this is a foreign policy and border control election.

On the other hand, Trump's tax cuts have been beneficial to me personally and a good step towards simplifying the US tax code. But going back to the other hand, we desperately need to normalize monetary policy, and Trump's stupid comments on the matter haven't helped.

Those tax cuts only beneficial for the rich.

[Vetalia]

Those tax cuts only beneficial for the rich.

I'd disagree, I got a substantial bump in my withholding and the bigger standard deduction will help me a lot.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Well? Anybody can be an ass at one time or another. Been taught views that were questionable and later realize they were wrong. I guess the measurement is her record since her epiphany happened?

Anyway. Bashing/defending her is probably a waste of time. She would be the youngest President ever. Not sure what's the cutoff of an acceptable age mind you.

I think qualifications, credentials, policy positions etc etc outweigh the age factor for me, unless they're like, above the age of 75 upon hypothetical inauguration day. That's where I get skeptical.

As for Gabbard, good to see that she has owned up to her past and has been transparent about it. Definitely earns her some brownie points from me, my intention to probably not vote for her notwithstanding. I think she'd be better staying in the House and continuing work there.

Preparing for her presidency as well. Or maybe trying to be at least VP? Then again, the investigators of Russiagate also try to crowdfund an investigation movement.

https://www.rt.com/usa/449041-gabbard-r ... -vacation/

[Vetalia]

Preparing for her presidency as well. Or maybe trying to be at least VP? Then again, the investigators of Russiagate also try to crowdfund an investigation movement.

https://www.rt.com/usa/449041-gabbard-r ... -vacation/

I'd be a strong supporter of Tulsi Gabbard, she speaks truth to power but I fear she won't be allowed to run in the face of the Two Minutes' Hate regarding Russia that has arisen after the MIC was utterly humiliated in Syria.

[Northern Davincia]

Unfortunately for you, California is experiencing the same variant of population loss as NY, although our situation is far more dire. High taxes and a hostile business climate will do that.

And housing that apparently costs all your limbs and organs just to rent...

I pity the coastal states.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Those tax cuts only beneficial for the rich.

I'd disagree, I got a substantial bump in my withholding and the bigger standard deduction will help me a lot.

I mean, it's tax cuts for the rich. There have to be those who are against it. You are one of the people who are not against it.

[Northern Davincia]

I'd disagree, I got a substantial bump in my withholding and the bigger standard deduction will help me a lot.

I mean, it's tax cuts for the rich. There have to be those who are against it. You are one of the people who are not against it.

They get more money, so it's no surprise.

[Shrillland]

And housing that apparently costs all your limbs and organs just to rent...

I pity the coastal states.

It's not just them. Try living here in Soviet Illinois. Our population has been more or less stagnant for nearly 50 years.

[Northern Davincia]

I pity the coastal states.

It's not just them. Try living here in Soviet Illinois. Our population has been more or less stagnant for nearly 50 years.

I think you mean the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois. Prepare for immediate reeducation.

[Shrillland]

It's not just them. Try living here in Soviet Illinois. Our population has been more or less stagnant for nearly 50 years.

I think you mean the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois. Prepare for immediate reeducation.

No, I mean the Illinois Soviet Republic. We gave up all pretense of Democracy sometime around General Secretary Madigan's 20th term(he's the longest served state legislator and house speaker in American history).

[Vetalia]

I mean, it's tax cuts for the rich. There have to be those who are against it. You are one of the people who are not against it.

I'm not rich, my gross income is $73k per year and I had a substantial benefit. The concept of expanding the standard deduction to eliminate more itemized deductions is a good one that simplifies the tax code for a lot of people.

[Dresderstan]

It's not just them. Try living here in Soviet Illinois. Our population has been more or less stagnant for nearly 50 years.

I think you mean the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois. Prepare for immediate reeducation.

I don't know what shocks me more, the fact PA has the lowest flat income tax or that WA doesn't tax income.

[Vetalia]

I think you mean the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois. Prepare for immediate reeducation.

I don't know what shocks me more, the fact PA has the lowest flat income tax or that WA doesn't tax income.

PA gets you on the tolls..

[Northern Davincia]

I don't know what shocks me more, the fact PA has the lowest flat income tax or that WA doesn't tax income.

PA gets you on the tolls..

True. I love PA for how much of a nice place it is, and I hate it for how much of a nice place it is.

[South Odreria]

That is an outlandishly false claim. When Jerry Brown became governor of CA we it was bankrupt. Now we have a big surplus. Does "self-immolation" mean "paying for what you spend" or am I missing something.

Unfortunately for you, California is experiencing the same variant of population loss as NY, although our situation is far more dire. High taxes and a hostile business climate will do that.

How is that unfortunate for me, there are too many people here. As for the business climate, silicon valley says otherwise.

[Northern Davincia]

Unfortunately for you, California is experiencing the same variant of population loss as NY, although our situation is far more dire. High taxes and a hostile business climate will do that.

How is that unfortunate for me, there are too many people here. As for the business climate, silicon valley says otherwise.

https://guff.com/15-drastic-effects-of- ... on-decline
Population loss is a huge issue that doesn't magically go away because you want less people around. Silicon Valley is practically catered to by the federal and state government. Still, it's not all good.

[South Odreria]

How is that unfortunate for me, there are too many people here. As for the business climate, silicon valley says otherwise.

https://guff.com/15-drastic-effects-of- ... on-decline
Population loss is a huge issue that doesn't magically go away because you want less people around. Silicon Valley is practically catered to by the federal and state government. Still, it's not all good.

Exactly, corporate welfare is hardly an unfriendly business climate. I do agree small businesses are over regulated, and I know because my dad owns one, and the laws are bad. People will stop leaving when rents become sane because of the other people leaving, it's not like people hate living in California. The reason rent became so high is too many people moved here, and if a few of them leave that's good.

[Northern Davincia]

https://guff.com/15-drastic-effects-of- ... on-decline
Population loss is a huge issue that doesn't magically go away because you want less people around. Silicon Valley is practically catered to by the federal and state government. Still, it's not all good.

Exactly, corporate welfare is hardly an unfriendly business climate. I do agree small businesses are over regulated, and I know because my dad owns one, and the laws are bad. People will stop leaving when rents become sane because of the other people leaving, it's not like people hate living in California. The reason rent became so high is too many people moved here, and if a few of them leave that's good.

Corporate welfare creates a highly toxic business climate. The largest businesses have exponentially more power to remove competitors.
You need to prove that people leaving is a good thing.

[South Odreria]

Yes corporate welfare is bad, but it was one of the things causing the excessive population growth because of the hipsters moving to San Francisco. Sure a few people leaving will have some negative consequences but that's inevitable when there are too many people, as proven by the rent prices.

[Northern Davincia]

Yes corporate welfare is bad, but it was one of the things causing the excessive population growth because of the hipsters moving to San Francisco. Sure a few people leaving will have some negative consequences but that's inevitable when there are too many people, as proven by the rent prices.

Many in California are too poor to leave. As those with money pack up and go, your tax base shrinks, and poverty worsens. Millions of people is not "a few".