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2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:41 pm

Republic of Turbin wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's very uncommon for an incumbent president to face a primary challenger.

Well maybe we need someone in this massive country to be the difference, more people should ask this question.
Why settle for less

I agree on principle but the RNC clearly doesn't.
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Republic of Turbin
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Republic of Turbin wrote:Well maybe we need someone in this massive country to be the difference, more people should ask this question.
Why settle for less

I agree on principle but the RNC clearly doesn't.

(I honestly sound like an idealist at this point) We can change if enough people vote and have the confidence to do so. (By God I really do sound like one)
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:46 pm

Telconi wrote:
Republic of Turbin wrote:Well maybe we need someone in this massive country to be the difference, more people should ask this question.
Why settle for less


Because the risk outweighs the potential gain.


Risk what is at risk?
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because the risk outweighs the potential gain.


Risk what is at risk?


His "way of life"

*his guns*
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Republic of Turbin wrote:Well maybe we need someone in this massive country to be the difference, more people should ask this question.
Why settle for less

I agree on principle but the RNC clearly doesn't.


You misspelled that. The TNC clearly doesn't.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Because the risk outweighs the potential gain.


Risk what is at risk?


It's in the thread title...
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-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Risk what is at risk?


His "way of life"

*his guns*


Wellllllll.

I suspect if you went into his house and took everything; he is far from unarmed.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Arcturus Novus
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:49 pm


Nice try, nerd, I'd recognize that URL anywhere.
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Risk what is at risk?


It's in the thread title...


Yes. donnie is pretty much the lowest bar; no much lower can it go.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's in the thread title...


Yes. donnie is pretty much the lowest bar; no much lower can it go.


Well there's an entire other party...
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-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry
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Republic of Turbin
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Founded: Mar 16, 2018
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:53 pm

Well if there is a second option to trump that may be better for America rather than the new establishment just think about it, maybe we do have a chance
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:59 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:

Nice try, nerd, I'd recognize that URL anywhere.


Fuck, outsmarted again.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Yes. donnie is pretty much the lowest bar; no much lower can it go.


Well there's an entire other party...

See, things like is how we know you're a partisan hack.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Posts: 9211
Founded: Nov 09, 2014
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well there's an entire other party...

See, things like is how we know you're a partisan hack.


To be perfectly honest, the Dems are probably gonna blow their foot away by nominating an unlikeable candidate.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:49 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Genivaria wrote:See, things like is how we know you're a partisan hack.


To be perfectly honest, the Dems are probably gonna blow their foot away by nominating an unlikeable candidate.


You've been saying this for... hm... about three years now.

We get it.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
To be perfectly honest, the Dems are probably gonna blow their foot away by nominating an unlikeable candidate.


You've been saying this for... hm... about three years now.

We get it.


You may get it, I don't think the Dems will though.
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Arlenton
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Founded: Dec 16, 2012
Compulsory Consumerist State

Postby Arlenton » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Genivaria wrote:See, things like is how we know you're a partisan hack.


To be perfectly honest, the Dems are probably gonna blow their foot away by nominating an unlikeable candidate.

Demanding a candidate to actually be likable is sexist.

Now vote for our candidate!
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Bienenhalde
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Founded: Mar 11, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Republic of Turbin wrote:what are the chances that somebody runs against trump in the Republican primary and wins?


It may be a long shot, but as a matter of principle, I would support a primary challenge against Trump.
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:53 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
To be perfectly honest, the Dems are probably gonna blow their foot away by nominating an unlikeable candidate.

Demanding a candidate to actually be likable is sexist.

Now vote for our candidate!


To be fair, the only candidates I've seen labelled as "unlikeable" just so happen to be women.
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:55 pm

Valrifell wrote:


To be fair, the only candidates I've seen labelled as "unlikeable" just so happen to be women.


Personally, I think Trump is rather un-likeable.
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Arlenton
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Founded: Dec 16, 2012
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:55 pm

Valrifell wrote:


To be fair, the only candidates I've seen labelled as "unlikeable" just so happen to be women.

Yes. Very sexist. Now vote for this women you don't like!
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:57 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You've been saying this for... hm... about three years now.

We get it.


You may get it, I don't think the Dems will though.

It really has become the most tired, hackiest empty bullshit to say made worse by how backpatty and smug it makes those who parrot it like it means anything.
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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:


To be fair, the only candidates I've seen labelled as "unlikeable" just so happen to be women.


...Seriously?

Get those lowkey sexism accusations outta here, will ya?
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well there's an entire other party...

See, things like is how we know you're a partisan hack.


Like how you're firmly planted on the dead center of the fence, without a preference for either party's policy positions whatsoever?

Come on. You're as much of a 'partisan hack' as I am, at the very least.
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:06 pm

Valrifell wrote:


To be fair, the only candidates I've seen labelled as "unlikeable" just so happen to be women.


Like Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders?
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry
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