2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Bahktar]

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

FiveThirtyEight gave him around of a 1/3 chance of winning, or 28.6% chance. Things with a 1/3 chance happen every day.

Trump's victory was won by the slightest margins. Considering he has a under 45% approval rating for the most of his term so far, I don't think he has a great chance in 2020 if trends continue.

[Salandriagado]

Reminder that Gabbard is a member of a fucking cult.

https://www.meanwhileinhawaii.org
https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/03/krishna-cult-rumors-still-dog-tulsi-gabbard/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe/amp
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20879/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russian-Agent-to-Keep-Hawaii-Media-in-Check.aspx

written by her own aunt:

As Representative Tulsi Gabbard’s aunt, it gives me no pleasure to publicly air my doubts regarding my niece’s political agenda, which Kelefa Sanneh describes in his Profile (“Against the Tide,” November 6th). However, I take my role as a citizen seriously, and I would be remiss not to share my concerns. Sanneh raises the issue of Gabbard’s lifelong immersion in the Science of Identity Foundation, an opaque religious organization that she and its founder, Chris Butler, have attempted to reframe as a “resource.” Gabbard’s answer to a basic question about Butler is troubling: despite calling him her “guru dev” (spiritual master) in her own promotional video, she denies that he is more important than any of her other teachers. She also has a notably mixed voting record, and associations that veer from certain progressive causes to the apparent courting of such strongmen as Narendra Modi, Bashar al-Assad, and Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (not to mention Trump)—this zigzagging path through positions is vexing. Sanneh’s article walks the fine line of investigation and exposition in a way that points to shadows worthy of further illumination.

She is by far the most despicable if not corrupt Democrat I can think of and people love her because she’s anti-establishment. What a depressing situation.

If you can actually give a coherent distinction between "cult" and "religion", that might actually be relevant.

[New haven america]

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

He would have lost if it was anyone other than Clinton.

I'm sorry, but no, despite popular belief Bernie was not the savior of America, he couldn't even get his own followers to listen to him and vote for Clinton.

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I just don't think the United States is going to elect a 39-year-old* half-Polynesian vegetarian Hindu woman from American Samoa who represents Hawaii in Congress as its president.

I remember 2007 and people were saying stuff like "I don't think the United States is going to elect a young, black junior Senator from Illinois who spent his childhood in Indonesia and whose middle name is Hussein."

[Washington Resistance Army]

He would have lost if it was anyone other than Clinton.

I'm sorry, but no, despite popular belief Bernie was not the savior of America, he couldn't even get his own followers to listen to him and vote for Clinton.

He does have a point though. The Clinton name in general is toxic in the Midwest cuz of NAFTA and Bernie certainly had a greater appeal to working class whites than she did. While yeah it's impossible to say for sure how it would have gone I'd wager Bernie would have done better than Clinton in the area.

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I'm sorry, but no, despite popular belief Bernie was not the savior of America, he couldn't even get his own followers to listen to him and vote for Clinton.

He does have a point though. The Clinton name in general is toxic in the Midwest cuz of NAFTA and Bernie certainly had a greater appeal to working class whites than she did. While yeah it's impossible to say for sure how it would have gone I'd wager Bernie would have done better than Clinton in the area.

Bernie would have definitely actually visited Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania instead of ignoring them altogether because he assumed these states would serve as a "firewall."

[Cannot think of a name]

This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

[Seraven]

Leaving aside the disagreements - and the slightly heated thread rhetoric - over her actual politics, I don't for a second think that Tulsi Gabbard has the slightest chance of being elected president in 2020.

I just don't think the United States is going to elect a 39-year-old* half-Polynesian vegetarian Hindu woman from American Samoa who represents Hawaii in Congress as its president.

Is that fair? Almost certainly not. Is it realistic? Likely yes.

Even leaving aside all of the other factors, she'd be the youngest person elected to the presidency by a good four years (beating Kennedy; Theodore Roosevelt was a year younger than Kennedy on assuming office, but wasn't elected). She'd also only the be the second person to be elected to to the presidency straight from the House; Garfield was the other, and even he was a senator-elect at the time. Surely she has an eye on either 2024 or the vice-presidency rather than seriously thinking she's going to win the Democratic nomination for 2020.


*Age at the 2020 election, if I'm calculating correctly.

Man, I would probably vote her the best. But I don't think she'll get much support in America since she opposed the removal of Assad from power, despite the fact it would be the best for him to stay.

[New haven america]

This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

Time officially halted after the 2016 election and will not resume until 2024.

We thank you for your patience and hope you have a nice 6 years.

[Seraven]

2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries

I really wonder, though, from this presidential primaries from Democrat, who would most likely able to be elected as President, judging by current situation?

[Novus Wrepland]

Reminder that Gabbard is a member of a fucking cult.

https://www.meanwhileinhawaii.org
https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/03/krishna-cult-rumors-still-dog-tulsi-gabbard/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe/amp
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20879/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russian-Agent-to-Keep-Hawaii-Media-in-Check.aspx

written by her own aunt:

As Representative Tulsi Gabbard’s aunt, it gives me no pleasure to publicly air my doubts regarding my niece’s political agenda, which Kelefa Sanneh describes in his Profile (“Against the Tide,” November 6th). However, I take my role as a citizen seriously, and I would be remiss not to share my concerns. Sanneh raises the issue of Gabbard’s lifelong immersion in the Science of Identity Foundation, an opaque religious organization that she and its founder, Chris Butler, have attempted to reframe as a “resource.” Gabbard’s answer to a basic question about Butler is troubling: despite calling him her “guru dev” (spiritual master) in her own promotional video, she denies that he is more important than any of her other teachers. She also has a notably mixed voting record, and associations that veer from certain progressive causes to the apparent courting of such strongmen as Narendra Modi, Bashar al-Assad, and Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (not to mention Trump)—this zigzagging path through positions is vexing. Sanneh’s article walks the fine line of investigation and exposition in a way that points to shadows worthy of further illumination.

She is by far the most despicable if not corrupt Democrat I can think of and people love her because she’s anti-establishment. What a depressing situation.

If you can actually give a coherent distinction between "cult" and "religion", that might actually be relevant.

There is no difference. "Cult" is only a term used to disqualify unorthodox, new religious movements.

[Salandriagado]

If you can actually give a coherent distinction between "cult" and "religion", that might actually be relevant.

There is no difference. "Cult" is only a term used to disqualify unorthodox, new religious movements.

So what you actually said was "Tulsi Gabbard is a member of an organised religion", which she has in common with just about every other Presidential candidate in US history.

[Ifreann]

This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

All threads are ultimately the 2016 election thread.

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This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

Perhaps we can all be disciplined enough to stay on topic and not say things about the 2016 election like how Bernie would have won.

Bernie would have won.

[Valrifell]

If you can actually give a coherent distinction between "cult" and "religion", that might actually be relevant.

There is no difference. "Cult" is only a term used to disqualify unorthodox, new religious movements.

Cults tend to revolve around one person and everyone else giving them nice things. Like that one guy who spent donations on Rolls Royces, definitely a cult.

[Novus Wrepland]

There is no difference. "Cult" is only a term used to disqualify unorthodox, new religious movements.

So what you actually said was "Tulsi Gabbard is a member of an organised religion", which she has in common with just about every other Presidential candidate in US history.

No, I was jibing your knee-jerk response to make the predictable “cult is not salient term” argument assumedly before reading about the group with which Gabbard is associated with (as it certainly is a cult.)

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

Yes, only with physical proof that Trump is a POS POTUS

[Valrifell]

This thread is doomed to periodically become the 2016 election thread.

Yes, only with physical proof that Trump is a POS POTUS

You'd be shocked at how little that gets you in 2019.

[The South Falls]

Yes, only with physical proof that Trump is a POS POTUS

You'd be shocked at how little that gets you in 2019.

As long as he's white he'll win. I know it. If a black guy was pulling all the shit that Trump has done or attempted to achieve, he'd be impeached within days.

[Salandriagado]

So what you actually said was "Tulsi Gabbard is a member of an organised religion", which she has in common with just about every other Presidential candidate in US history.

No, I was jibing your knee-jerk response to make the predictable “cult is not salient term” argument assumedly before reading about the group with which Gabbard is associated with (as it certainly is a cult.)

I don't disagree that it's a cult. It's just that so the same is true of the Roman Catholic Church, and I don't hear you objecting to Catholics.

[Horatius Cocles]

Side-tracking from the political posts here, the Catholic Church isn't a cult by either general definition or Christian context.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You'd be shocked at how little that gets you in 2019.

As long as he's white he'll win. I know it. If a black guy was pulling all the shit that Trump has done or attempted to achieve, he'd be impeached within days.

I don't think that it has anything to do with race.

[Northern Davincia]

You'd be shocked at how little that gets you in 2019.

As long as he's white he'll win. I know it. If a black guy was pulling all the shit that Trump has done or attempted to achieve, he'd be impeached within days.

Perhaps the media shouldn't desensitize the nation to Trump's shenanigans.

[Valrifell]

As long as he's white he'll win. I know it. If a black guy was pulling all the shit that Trump has done or attempted to achieve, he'd be impeached within days.

Perhaps the media shouldn't desensitize the nation to Trump's shenanigans.

Maybe Trump shouldn't be up to so many shenanigans?

Just, you know, a thought.

[Ifreann]

As long as he's white he'll win. I know it. If a black guy was pulling all the shit that Trump has done or attempted to achieve, he'd be impeached within days.

Perhaps the media shouldn't desensitize the nation to Trump's shenanigans.

You think that the media should stop doing what's most profitable?

Good heavens, ND, how anti-capitalist of you.