2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

She wasn’t educated well, nor was she terribly rich. She just loved the American dream. She came to the US seeking a new life. She worked hard and eventually got some good jobs. People like her prove the liberals wrong by simply existing.

No they dont. If anything she took advantage of things liberals fought for her to have.

Funny thing is, according to her she didn’t.

[Conserative Morality]

No they dont. If anything she took advantage of things liberals fought for her to have.

"Fuck you, I got mine" is a very common attitude amongst people in general, sadly.

[Mystic Warriors]

No they dont. If anything she took advantage of things liberals fought for her to have.

"Fuck you, I got mine" is a very common attitude amongst people in general, sadly.

Not my attitude. Thankfully.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Sure. They do goof on occasion. Just like normal citizens are occasionally taken into custody wrongly. This is just part of large organizations tasked with law inforcement. They goof every now and then. Also, he wasn’t deported, just detained. That is literally no different than being wrongly arrested.

Some of the people wrongly arrested are also wrongly convicted. So it follows that some of the people picked up by ICE are wrongly deported.

Unless you think that ICE are just magically right all the time...

Again, as I literally JUST said. Law enforcement makes mistakes. ICE is no different.

[Mystic Warriors]

No they dont. If anything she took advantage of things liberals fought for her to have.

Funny thing is, according to her she didn’t.

How do we know she is a real person?

She may not know what liberals fought for.

[Gormwood]

Old news in the Irony Department.

Undocumented husband of Indiana Trump supporter deported to Mexico

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Funny thing is, according to her she didn’t.

How do we know she is a real person?

She may not know what liberals fought for.

You don’t know she is a real person. You take my word for it.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Old news in the Irony Department.

Undocumented husband of Indiana Trump supporter deported to Mexico

Actualy, it proves that ICE isn’t biased. There is no irony whatsoever regarding ICE.

Ironic that the woman indirectly got her husband deported, I guess there is irony in that.

[Ifreann]

Some of the people wrongly arrested are also wrongly convicted. So it follows that some of the people picked up by ICE are wrongly deported.

Unless you think that ICE are just magically right all the time...

Again, as I literally JUST said. Law enforcement makes mistakes. ICE is no different.

You also literally said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. So you were either literally lying or literally wrong.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Again, as I literally JUST said. Law enforcement makes mistakes. ICE is no different.

You also literally said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. So you were either literally lying or literally wrong.

The only people who ICE is “intending” to deport are illegals. Also as I said, non of these people were deported.

[Ifreann]

You also literally said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. So you were either literally lying or literally wrong.

The only people who ICE is “intending” to deport are illegals.

That's literally not what you said. You literally said...

The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

So were you literally lying or literally wrong?

Also as I said, non of these people were deported.

You also said that ICE makes mistakes when I pointed out that at least some people picked up by ICE are surely wrongly deported. So you must agree that ICE does sometime deport people who have every right to be in the US. In which case you were literally wrong when you said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. Or you were literally lying.

[Mystic Warriors]

How do we know she is a real person?

She may not know what liberals fought for.

You don’t know she is a real person. You take my word for it.

I cant do that. Fooled too many times.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

The only people who ICE is “intending” to deport are illegals.

That's literally not what you said. You literally said...

The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

So were you literally lying or literally wrong?

Also as I said, non of these people were deported.

You also said that ICE makes mistakes when I pointed out that at least some people picked up by ICE are surely wrongly deported. So you must agree that ICE does sometime deport people who have every right to be in the US. In which case you were literally wrong when you said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. Or you were literally lying.

The only people ICE intends to (and does 99.999% of the time) deport are illegal immigrants. That is the simple fact of it. I was responding to a classic liberal fear monger “Trump (because somehow Trump and ICE are synonymous now) will deport legal immigrants” thing.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

You don’t know she is a real person. You take my word for it.

I cant do that. Fooled too many times.

Fine. I assure you she exists (and I doubt is alone) but if you don’t care for that as an argument that is fine by me.

[Conserative Morality]

That's literally not what you said. You literally said...

So were you literally lying or literally wrong?

You also said that ICE makes mistakes when I pointed out that at least some people picked up by ICE are surely wrongly deported. So you must agree that ICE does sometime deport people who have every right to be in the US. In which case you were literally wrong when you said that the only people getting deported are people who crossed the border illegally. Or you were literally lying.

The only people ICE intends to (and does 99.999% of the time) deport are illegal immigrants. That is the simple fact of it. I was responding to a classic liberal fear monger “Trump (because somehow Trump and ICE are synonymous now) will deport legal immigrants” thing.

lol

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

The only people ICE intends to (and does 99.999% of the time) deport are illegal immigrants. That is the simple fact of it. I was responding to a classic liberal fear monger “Trump (because somehow Trump and ICE are synonymous now) will deport legal immigrants” thing.

lol

Uh. What about 99.9% is unclear?

[Conserative Morality]

lol

Uh. What about 99.9% is unclear?

One, it's quite unclear that such a high percentage are ilegal immigrants, considering that the raid in question hit a nearly 10% rate of legal immigrants 'nabbed'.

Two, clearly the classic liberal fear monger "Trump (whose rhetoric both as a cultural standard and policy as president heavily influences ICE) will deport legal immigrants" is founded in fact.

[Farnhamia]

Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out

Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.

I don't know how huge and restrictive the Guatemalan government is, but according to KPMG Global, "The taxable rates are: 5% for the annual taxable income for up to Q300 thousand and when this amount exceeds, a fixed sum of Q15 thousand for the first Q300 thousand, plus 7% over the surplus." Staggering.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Uh. What about 99.9% is unclear?

One, it's quite unclear that such a high percentage are ilegal immigrants, considering that the raid in question hit a nearly 10% rate of legal immigrants 'nabbed'.

Two, clearly the classic liberal fear monger "Trump (whose rhetoric both as a cultural standard and policy as president heavily influences ICE) will deport legal immigrants" is founded in fact.

99.9% is my own speculation. Why? Because the number of people who are able to prove there citizenship after being “nabbed” is minute compared to the number who can’t (and are, therfore, undocumented).

Regarding the raid, it isn’t reflective. It was a small raid. It picked up 15 people who were documented.

[Mystic Warriors]

Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.

I don't know how huge and restrictive the Guatemalan government is, but according to KPMG Global, "The taxable rates are: 5% for the annual taxable income for up to Q300 thousand and when this amount exceeds, a fixed sum of Q15 thousand for the first Q300 thousand, plus 7% over the surplus." Staggering.

That's why I doubt she exists. Guatemala has a lower tax burden than the US does. Seems odd.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.

I don't know how huge and restrictive the Guatemalan government is, but according to KPMG Global, "The taxable rates are: 5% for the annual taxable income for up to Q300 thousand and when this amount exceeds, a fixed sum of Q15 thousand for the first Q300 thousand, plus 7% over the surplus." Staggering.

Interesting. I think she left back in the ‘90’s. May have been different. Also, ya know, it is kinda widely considered a not nice place to live. That may have been part of it too.

[Gormwood]

I don't know how huge and restrictive the Guatemalan government is, but according to KPMG Global, "The taxable rates are: 5% for the annual taxable income for up to Q300 thousand and when this amount exceeds, a fixed sum of Q15 thousand for the first Q300 thousand, plus 7% over the surplus." Staggering.

That's why I doubt she exists. Guatemala has a lower tax burden than the US does. Seems odd.

Personal anecdotes are always reliable.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

That's why I doubt she exists. Guatemala has a lower tax burden than the US does. Seems odd.

Personal anecdotes are always reliable.

I already said you could discard it if you wished.

[Conserative Morality]

One, it's quite unclear that such a high percentage are ilegal immigrants, considering that the raid in question hit a nearly 10% rate of legal immigrants 'nabbed'.

Two, clearly the classic liberal fear monger "Trump (whose rhetoric both as a cultural standard and policy as president heavily influences ICE) will deport legal immigrants" is founded in fact.

99.9% is my own speculation. Why? Because the number of people who are able to prove there citizenship after being “nabbed” is minute compared to the number who can’t (and are, therfore, undocumented).

You do realize there's a difference between residency and citizenship, right? And that legal immigrants with residency were what the article discussed? And that the legality of their residency documents weren't in question, but they were being deported anyway, right?

... you did read the article, right?

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

99.9% is my own speculation. Why? Because the number of people who are able to prove there citizenship after being “nabbed” is minute compared to the number who can’t (and are, therfore, undocumented).

You do realize there's a difference between residency and citizenship, right? And that legal immigrants with residency were what the article discussed? And that the legality of their residency documents weren't in question, but they were being deported anyway, right?

... you did read the article, right?

Read it. I was defending the 99%.