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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:52 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Your not going to get the change you want unless you elect people who support reform. We did that in New York with our state senate and finally updated our outdated election law

If you could stop with the same canned response over and over when ever someone says we should do x would be great.

Its not a canned response. That's how you'll get the change you want.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If you could stop with the same canned response over and over when ever someone says we should do x would be great.

Its not a canned response. That's how you'll get the change you want.


But what if there aren't candidates who will enact the change I want?
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Idzequitch » Mon May 06, 2019 3:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:And the way you get people willing to remove power from Dems and Reps is to elect non-Dems and non-Reps. Just saying.

and you do that by putting up viable candidates

Is there an echo in here? Or just someone restating time and again a point I've already addressed?
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 3:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:And the way you get people willing to remove power from Dems and Reps is to elect non-Dems and non-Reps. Just saying.

and you do that by putting up viable candidates

Under FPTP if you aren’t a member of the big two parties being viable is nearly impossible. So saying you need viable candidates is absolutely bullshit and is just away to shutdown any debate on the topic
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not a canned response. That's how you'll get the change you want.


But what if there aren't candidates who will enact the change I want?


Then run for office yourself.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
But what if there aren't candidates who will enact the change I want?


Then run for office yourself.


I'd rather not.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:54 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and you do that by putting up viable candidates

Under FPTP if you aren’t a member of the big two parties being viable is nearly impossible. So saying you need viable candidates is absolutely bullshit and is just away to shutdown any debate on the topic

Then elect people who want to change the election system.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:55 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then run for office yourself.


I'd rather not.

then stop making comments like that.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 3:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:If you could stop with the same canned response over and over when ever someone says we should do x would be great.

Its not a canned response. That's how you'll get the change you want.

It’s a canned response. One that you continually repeat like a broken record
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not a canned response. That's how you'll get the change you want.

It’s a canned response. One that you continually repeat like a broken record

How else are you going to get the change you want?

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Telconi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'd rather not.

then stop making comments like that.


Why, you say to do a thing, but it isn't an option for me, so what do you think I should do?
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-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Idzequitch
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Idzequitch » Mon May 06, 2019 3:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Under FPTP if you aren’t a member of the big two parties being viable is nearly impossible. So saying you need viable candidates is absolutely bullshit and is just away to shutdown any debate on the topic

Then elect people who want to change the election system.

Which is simply another way of saying "elect the third party candidates that you're wasting yor time trying to elect"
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s a canned response. One that you continually repeat like a broken record

How else are you going to get the change you want?


Vandalistic protest.
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-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 3:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Under FPTP if you aren’t a member of the big two parties being viable is nearly impossible. So saying you need viable candidates is absolutely bullshit and is just away to shutdown any debate on the topic

Then elect people who want to change the election system.

Could you stop going in circles? You said yourself you’re sick of the back and forth. So why don’t you do something about and stop repeating the same damn shit
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then elect people who want to change the election system.

Could you stop going in circles? You said yourself you’re sick of the back and forth. So why don’t you do something about and stop repeating the same damn shit


Because Lumen doesn't want change, he's fully satisfied with the current status quo.
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-Weapons Rights
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-Religious Freedom
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-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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San Lumen
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:57 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Then elect people who want to change the election system.

Could you stop going in circles? You said yourself you’re sick of the back and forth. So why don’t you do something about and stop repeating the same damn shit

I work for the state government and also serve on the local party committee. I am doing something

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How else are you going to get the change you want?


Vandalistic protest.

and you'd wind up in jail.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 3:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s a canned response. One that you continually repeat like a broken record

How else are you going to get the change you want?

General strike, revolution, a coup. Any of those would work
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Mon May 06, 2019 3:58 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How else are you going to get the change you want?

General strike, revolution, a coup. Any of those would work

So go tell friends of yours to start it especially anyone in the military you know.

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The Two Jerseys
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon May 06, 2019 3:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that no state funding doesn’t mean no government funding right? MARTA doesn’t have state funding yet it only costs $2.50 to ride

MARTA and the MTA are two very different agencies. The reason fares arent completely unaffordable is state funding

MTA's fares are a non-exorbitant $2.75, and the farebox recovery ratio is 47%, compared to MARTA's 30%.

MTA can survive without state funding.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 3:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Vandalistic protest.

and you'd wind up in jail.


Only if caught.
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 3:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Could you stop going in circles? You said yourself you’re sick of the back and forth. So why don’t you do something about and stop repeating the same damn shit

I work for the state government and also serve on the local party committee. I am doing something

No I’m talking about how you said just a few pages ago that you are tired about the back and forth between you and tel. And I’m saying that if you’re sick of that you should do something about it, like stop repeating yourself
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 4:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:General strike, revolution, a coup. Any of those would work

So go tell friends of yours to start it especially anyone in the military you know.

You do know what examples are right?

Also I like how you zeroed in only on the military coup and not the general strike or revolution. I’m going to guess you like those options. Because you only seem to get dismissive of people when they don’t agree with you on the democrats
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 06, 2019 4:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that no state funding doesn’t mean no government funding right? MARTA doesn’t have state funding yet it only costs $2.50 to ride

MARTA and the MTA are two very different agencies. The reason fares arent completely unaffordable is state funding

If $2.75 for the MTA and $15 for Metro North/LIRR is exorbitant than I think you either are super super poor, are a stingy miser, or have no idea what the word exorbitant means
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I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Telconi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Mon May 06, 2019 4:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:MARTA and the MTA are two very different agencies. The reason fares arent completely unaffordable is state funding

If $2.75 for the MTA and $15 for Metro North/LIRR is exorbitant than I think you either are super super poor, are a stingy miser, or have no idea what the word exorbitant means


Let's not forget, this is the guy who cried about rate raises so that subway crew in new York could have "Union goodies"
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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