2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[San Lumen]

I agree you should vote your conscience but third parties elected Trump

Not at all. I hated Candidate Donald and I hated Candidate Hillary. It's hardly any fault of mine who other people voted for. I tried to warn them. They didn't listen.

Jill Stein or Gary Johnson was never going to win

[Idzequitch]

Which is why we need to keep yanking those blindfolds off. The bigger the pool of people who can see how awful this bipartisan government truly is, the more options we have on people who can run for office against the political duopoly.

By running people like that?

If you would like to continue sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA," I'm sure there are other people who would be willing to respond in kind.

[Mystic Warriors]

I disagree completely. Republicans have shown time and time again that they hate Democrats and liberals, also to have zero desire to work with them. YOU may not seem them as your enemy, but they see you as theirs. There is a war, you just won't fight it.

I cant say I care what you disagree with since your view is to ban them. People that dont know how to defeat their opponent without being authoritarian dont deserve a seat at the table.

Typical.

Get called out so instead if addressing the points presented, you personally attack. You know what they say about throwing stones in glass houses?

[Thuzbekistan]

No, they don't. Green didn't steal the vote form hillary. In fact, the protest votes for Johnson were enough that it would have been insanely closer had those libertarians voted for Trump instead just to pick the candidate. Trump is not the end all and be all of our politics either. 2016 was just a horrible year which we will hopefully not live to see another like.

I hope Trump loses next year but im not confident about it.

I was referring to how completely and utterly awful both of those candidates were and how toxic that political scene was. At least Pelosi is a competent politician, despite me not liking her views. People are actively working to fix the parties that produced such crap candidates. Well, the dems are. The republicans will once they get kicked out in 20 or 24

[Idzequitch]

Not at all. I hated Candidate Donald and I hated Candidate Hillary. It's hardly any fault of mine who other people voted for. I tried to warn them. They didn't listen.

Jill Stein or Gary Johnson was never going to win

I recall a time not so long before the election when Trump was never going to win either. Now look where we are.

[Mystic Warriors]

I cant say I care what you disagree with since your view is to ban them. People that dont know how to defeat their opponent without being authoritarian dont deserve a seat at the table.

Has Mystic Warriors explicitly stated they want to ban conservatism? If not, it's not productive to say they did.

No I didn't. I even said Republicans aren't conservatives.

[San Lumen]

By running people like that?

If you would like to continue sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA," I'm sure there are other people who would be willing to respond in kind.

You clearly didn't listen to word I said. The people than run on third party lines at least in my state usually have the craziest ideas and ones that are totally impractical.

Plus many of the minor parties in New York are a complete joke. They almost never run their own candidates and almost always endorse either the Democrat or Republican.

[Thuzbekistan]

I cant say I care what you disagree with since your view is to ban them. People that dont know how to defeat their opponent without being authoritarian dont deserve a seat at the table.

Typical.

Get called out so instead if addressing the points presented, you personally attack. You know what they say about throwing stones in glass houses?

You're literally talking about a political party being your enemy- an enemy you are at war with. I don't respect that view at all. Too many people think like that and it is killing our democracy. Thinking like that is what provides the motivation to collude with Russia or to rig elections or primaries. Thinking of the opposition as an enemy you must do anything to stop is how you disrupt the government and end its ability to effectively govern.

[Thuzbekistan]

Has Mystic Warriors explicitly stated they want to ban conservatism? If not, it's not productive to say they did.

No I didn't. I even said Republicans aren't conservatives.

Which is wrong, but ok.

[Mystic Warriors]

And no matter how many times people deny it, it remains true.


And what gives you the right to say that anyway? You dont get to judge what is and isnt true.

And you do?

No you responses should be beneath you.

[San Lumen]

I hope Trump loses next year but im not confident about it.

I was referring to how completely and utterly awful both of those candidates were and how toxic that political scene was. At least Pelosi is a competent politician, despite me not liking her views. People are actively working to fix the parties that produced such crap candidates. Well, the dems are. The republicans will once they get kicked out in 20 or 24

I hope its 2020 and they get decimated plus its also a census year and redistricting will follow in 2021 which is why state legislative elections are so important but that's if we get a accurate count and not a form that includes a citizenship question which would intimate many into not answering

[Mystic Warriors]

Typical.

Get called out so instead if addressing the points presented, you personally attack. You know what they say about throwing stones in glass houses?

You're literally talking about a political party being your enemy- an enemy you are at war with. I don't respect that view at all. Too many people think like that and it is killing our democracy. Thinking like that is what provides the motivation to collude with Russia or to rig elections or primaries. Thinking of the opposition as an enemy you must do anything to stop is how you disrupt the government and end its ability to effectively govern.

Go pitch that fit to the GOP. As I said, they view the left as their enemy. We didn't start the fire, they did.

[Idzequitch]

If you would like to continue sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALA," I'm sure there are other people who would be willing to respond in kind.

You clearly didn't listen to word I side. The people than run on third party lines at least in my state usually have the craziest ideas and ones that are totally impractical.

Plus many of the minor parties in New York are a complete joke. They almost never run their own candidates and almost always endorse either the Democrat or Republican.

And you clearly didn't listen to anything I said, because I said I wanted to expand the third party voting bloc so that more viable candidates can run against the current corrupt parties.

Third parties have difficulty getting on ballots precisely because the political duopoly that controls our government makes it near impossible to get on the ballot without a (D) or (R) next to your name.

[Mystic Warriors]

No I didn't. I even said Republicans aren't conservatives.

Which is wrong, but ok.

Ok slick, where did I say ban conservatives?

[San Lumen]

You're literally talking about a political party being your enemy- an enemy you are at war with. I don't respect that view at all. Too many people think like that and it is killing our democracy. Thinking like that is what provides the motivation to collude with Russia or to rig elections or primaries. Thinking of the opposition as an enemy you must do anything to stop is how you disrupt the government and end its ability to effectively govern.

Go pitch that fit to the GOP. As I said, they view the left as their enemy. We didn't start the fire, they did.

and that's what's wrong with the government. In Maryland they recently elected a new speaker Adrienne Jones who is the first woman and first African American to serve in the role by a unanimous vote. Both parties often work together in the legislature that state. amazing concept I know.

[Thuzbekistan]

You're literally talking about a political party being your enemy- an enemy you are at war with. I don't respect that view at all. Too many people think like that and it is killing our democracy. Thinking like that is what provides the motivation to collude with Russia or to rig elections or primaries. Thinking of the opposition as an enemy you must do anything to stop is how you disrupt the government and end its ability to effectively govern.

Go pitch that fit to the GOP. As I said, they view the left as their enemy. We didn't start the fire, they did.

"MOMMY!!! HE STARTED IT!!!!!" God wtf kind of thinking is that. I pitch it to both sides. I hate the hyper partisanship and the view of these parties as enemies to be fought. It's the same attitude that came before the civil war and in extremely tense times in our history.

[San Lumen]

You clearly didn't listen to word I side. The people than run on third party lines at least in my state usually have the craziest ideas and ones that are totally impractical.

Plus many of the minor parties in New York are a complete joke. They almost never run their own candidates and almost always endorse either the Democrat or Republican.

And you clearly didn't listen to anything I said, because I said I wanted to expand the third party voting bloc so that more viable candidates can run against the current corrupt parties.

Third parties have difficulty getting on ballots precisely because the political duopoly that controls our government makes it near impossible to get on the ballot without a (D) or (R) next to your name.

in New York you simply have to get 50000 votes for Governor to gain automatic ballot access for 4 years.

I have yet to see a viable candidate run on a third party line in my state

[Telconi]

You're literally talking about a political party being your enemy- an enemy you are at war with. I don't respect that view at all. Too many people think like that and it is killing our democracy. Thinking like that is what provides the motivation to collude with Russia or to rig elections or primaries. Thinking of the opposition as an enemy you must do anything to stop is how you disrupt the government and end its ability to effectively govern.

Go pitch that fit to the GOP. As I said, they view the left as their enemy. We didn't start the fire, they did.

I mean, who should I view as my enemy?

[Thuzbekistan]

Which is wrong, but ok.

Ok slick, where did I say ban conservatives?

Republicans are generally conservative politicians.

[Idzequitch]

And you clearly didn't listen to anything I said, because I said I wanted to expand the third party voting bloc so that more viable candidates can run against the current corrupt parties.

Third parties have difficulty getting on ballots precisely because the political duopoly that controls our government makes it near impossible to get on the ballot without a (D) or (R) next to your name.

in New York you simply have to get 50000 votes for Governor to gain automatic ballot access for 4 years.

I have yet to see a viable candidate run on a third party line in my state

I'll leave the role of viability police to someone else, but thanks for the analysis.

[San Lumen]

in New York you simply have to get 50000 votes for Governor to gain automatic ballot access for 4 years.

I have yet to see a viable candidate run on a third party line in my state

I'll leave the role of viability police to someone else, but thanks for the analysis.

running people like Larry Sharpe for governor as a Libertarian isnt going to get them into power.

[Idzequitch]

Go pitch that fit to the GOP. As I said, they view the left as their enemy. We didn't start the fire, they did.

I mean, who should I view as my enemy?

NK. Russia. Iran. Maybe China. Oh, and corruption, but nobody is interested in tackling that. #expandtheswamp

[San Lumen]

I mean, who should I view as my enemy?

NK. Russia. Iran. Maybe China. Oh, and corruption, but nobody is interested in tackling that. #expandtheswamp

This is someone who views anyone who votes differently from them as horrible people and called for the peaceful transfer of power not to be respected because they didnt like who won the election last year.

[Shrillland]

I'll leave the role of viability police to someone else, but thanks for the analysis.

running people like Larry Sharpe for governor as a Libertarian isnt going to get them into power.

2002 was the last time a third candidate had a decent shot in New York, Golisano got 14% and even lead in Monroe County.

[Thuzbekistan]

I'll leave the role of viability police to someone else, but thanks for the analysis.

running people like Larry Sharpe for governor as a Libertarian isnt going to get them into power.

This kind of viability thinking just makes me wish we had a proportional voting system like they use in parliaments...