2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Galloism]

Of course if the Democrats compromised and dropped it the Republicans would see that as capitulation and keep pushing for complete victory.

>implying complete victory protecting a constitutional right is a bad thing

Tbh, I also think Sanders line in the sand on voting rights makes good sense too. I'd like him to win that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying complete victory protecting a constitutional right is a bad thing

Tbh, I also think Sanders line in the sand on voting rights makes good sense too. I'd like him to win that.

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

[Telconi]

Flaming is against the rules my dude.

Nice backhanded insult there my dude, but I must say that Valrifell isn't exactly wrong.

Let me know when I decide my party is the epitome of perfection, and that surely violations of rights is totally cool if they want it.

[Galloism]

Tbh, I also think Sanders line in the sand on voting rights makes good sense too. I'd like him to win that.

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

I don't see why right to vote is different than right to free speech in this regard. Prisoners still maintain their rights even when in prison, and there's no reason voting rights should be different.

The only time I think i'd strip someone of voting rights is when they're convicted of voter fraud, and even then I'd probably time limit it.

[Gormwood]

Tbh, I also think Sanders line in the sand on voting rights makes good sense too. I'd like him to win that.

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

Yet Florida just passed a bill saying ex-felons have to pay off all their fines and legal bills before they can even apply for reinstatement.

[Telconi]

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

I don't see why right to vote is different than right to free speech in this regard. Prisoners still maintain their rights even when in prison, and there's no reason voting rights should be different.

The only time I think i'd strip someone of voting rights is when they're convicted of voter fraud, and even then I'd probably time limit it.

I think disenfranchising felons should be a specific punishme t sentences like any other. Er go "you lose franchise for X years" and it's calculated into the sentencing.

[Telconi]

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

Yet Florida just passed a bill saying ex-felons have to pay off all their fines and legal bills before they can even apply for reinstatement.

"Florida does ass thing, therefore some guy in Washington's opinions are invalid."

This is rediculous by your standards.

[Shrillland]

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

Yet Florida just passed a bill saying ex-felons have to pay off all their fines and legal bills before they can even apply for reinstatement.

That was downright subversion of the people's will, not to sound too much like Lumen, of course. But people voted for ex-felons to be allowed to vote, and the Republican legislature said, "All right. With conditions." Conditions that very few wanted or expected.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm generally supportive of the idea but not while people are incarcerated. I fully believe all of someones rights should be restored when they leave prison but not while they're in it.

I don't see why right to vote is different than right to free speech in this regard. Prisoners still maintain their rights even when in prison, and there's no reason voting rights should be different.

The only time I think i'd strip someone of voting rights is when they're convicted of voter fraud, and even then I'd probably time limit it.

I def get where you're coming from it's just something I'm personally not sold on. It's far from the worst thing to be pushing though.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I don't see why right to vote is different than right to free speech in this regard. Prisoners still maintain their rights even when in prison, and there's no reason voting rights should be different.

The only time I think i'd strip someone of voting rights is when they're convicted of voter fraud, and even then I'd probably time limit it.

I think disenfranchising felons should be a specific punishme t sentences like any other. Er go "you lose franchise for X years" and it's calculated into the sentencing.

In my opinion, the only crime that should bring with it disenfranchisement is election fraud. Felons losing the right to vote while in prison is good, but they should be enfranchised as soon as they get out of prison.

[Telconi]

I think disenfranchising felons should be a specific punishme t sentences like any other. Er go "you lose franchise for X years" and it's calculated into the sentencing.

In my opinion, the only crime that should bring with it disenfranchisement is election fraud. Felons losing the right to vote while in prison is good, but they should be enfranchised as soon as they get out of prison.

Well, doesnt that mean all felonies would carry disenfranchisement as a penalty?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

In my opinion, the only crime that should bring with it disenfranchisement is election fraud. Felons losing the right to vote while in prison is good, but they should be enfranchised as soon as they get out of prison.

Well, doesnt that mean all felonies would carry disenfranchisement as a penalty?

Technically, yes, but I mean that disenfranchisement would be a specific punishment for this crime and only incidental with the others. Those who have committed election fraud should be kept away from polling centers for basically the same reason that pedophiles should be kept away from schools, but if your crime was smoking weed, then there's no reason that you should be denied the right to vote.

[Telconi]

Well, doesnt that mean all felonies would carry disenfranchisement as a penalty?

Technically, yes, but I mean that disenfranchisement would be a specific punishment for this crime and only incidental with the others. Those who have committed election fraud should be kept away from polling centers for basically the same reason that pedophiles should be kept away from schools, but if your crime was smoking weed, then there's no reason that you should be denied the right to vote.

Well I really don't think the crime of "smoking weed" should land you in a jail to begin with. But basically what I saw saying is that disenfranchisement shouldn't even apply unless specifically sentenced.

[Vassenor]

A federal judge in his opinion did, yes, but the case is now going to the 9th Circuit, and from there to SCOTUS, I'm sure.

Perfect.

Funny how judicial activism is OK when it's done for conservative things.

[West Leas Oros 2]

And if I vote Democrat I'll still not have both, I'll take Republican dystopia over the hellish future you want thank you very much.

It just occurs to me that Lumen and Telconi are practically the same person, rhetorically speaking.

You're not entirely wrong. They seem to have been plagued with the same "lesser of two evils" and "my party right or wrong" mentality so many Americans have.

[Telconi]

Perfect.

Funny how judicial activism is OK when it's done for conservative things.

Reading a thing and understanding it as a reasonable human being would does not make you a judicial activist. It makes you literate.

[Telconi]

It just occurs to me that Lumen and Telconi are practically the same person, rhetorically speaking.

You're not entirely wrong. They seem to have been plagued with the same "lesser of two evils" and "my party right or wrong" mentality so many Americans have.

Hey, as soon as the Republicans become the wrong party I'd willingly drop them like a hot potato.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

You're not entirely wrong. They seem to have been plagued with the same "lesser of two evils" and "my party right or wrong" mentality so many Americans have.

Hey, as soon as the Republicans become the wrong party I'd willingly drop them like a hot potato.

And what would it take for them to become the wrong party?

[Idzequitch]

You're not entirely wrong. They seem to have been plagued with the same "lesser of two evils" and "my party right or wrong" mentality so many Americans have.

Hey, as soon as the Republicans become the wrong party I'd willingly drop them like a hot potato.

They're both wrong though.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Hey, as soon as the Republicans become the wrong party I'd willingly drop them like a hot potato.

They're both wrong though.

Exactly.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Perfect.

Funny how judicial activism is OK when it's done for conservative things.

You really should stop using terms you don't understand.

[San Lumen]

Funny how judicial activism is OK when it's done for conservative things.

You really should stop using terms you don't understand.

Its only judicial activism from a liberal judge

[Washington Resistance Army]

You really should stop using terms you don't understand.

Its only judicial activism from a liberal judge

It's only judicial activism when it's actually judicial activism. Anyone who has even the faintest understanding of common use and dangerous and usual can very quickly see the judge was right and the ban did not pass constitutional muster.

[Thermodolia]

Hey, as soon as the Republicans become the wrong party I'd willingly drop them like a hot potato.

They're both wrong though.

The democrats and the republicans are the same turd.

[San Lumen]

They're both wrong though.

The democrats and the republicans are the same turd.

and what are you doing to change it?