2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

The argument is that, until it can biologically function outside the womb, it counts more as an internal organ.

Do you think that your organs aren't alive?

Not by themselves, no. Perhaps insofar as they are a part of me, they could be considered to be "alive", but if you separate them from me, then they're not, and (perhaps excluding the brain) they definitely aren't people.

But that aside, I don't see how "yeah, they're people, but it doesn't matter if we kill them" is going to convince anyone either.

I'd say it has a better chance than telling people that they are literally dead inside.

The way that I've been using it, an organ is part of a gray area between "alive" and "dead" where it's definitely not dead but it's also not (by itself, anyway) a living thing. Not sure if you've been using the same definition, and I think we should clarify what exactly is meant by "alive" before we start arguing about what does and does not count.

[Shrillland]

I got my words mixed up, I just meant assault weapons, which we already ban right now of course.

What is an assault weapon?

Just those that have been explicitly defined as assault weapons like machine guns or fully automatic rifles. Semi-automatics are fine with me, that's what most guns are anyway including those in my house.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Dems literally just need to leave guns alone. This is a topic they routinely lose on and it only helps the GOP get more votes.

The Democratic Party couldn't organize its way out of a paper bag, WRA. There's no way that they could just abandon an issue this big without losing a lot of support.

Idk, I don't see many liberal voters jumping ship solely over guns. I know pro-gun people will do it but from all the polling I've see the environment, healthcare etc are all more important issues for the left.

The Dems literally just need to leave guns alone. This is a topic they routinely lose on and it only helps the GOP get more votes.

The GOP has been so successful at turning guns into a cultural wedge issue, that I don't think the bulk of gun-voters can ever really be swayed to vote Democrat. They'll be reminded of past events, even if Dems drop the issue now.

It would for sure take time cuz from where we're standing the Dems have been operating in bad faith on the topic for decades but, at least in my case, I'm really open to voting Dem for a lot of reasons if they stop trying to attack PLCAA and shit 24/7.

Idk man I just wanna vote to protect trees, guns and healthcare. Why is that so hard?

The Dems literally just need to leave guns alone. This is a topic they routinely lose on and it only helps the GOP get more votes.

Abandon an issue with widespread popular support?

So much popular support it hasn't had even a modicum of success at the federal level in nearly 30 years lol

[Loben The 2nd]

What is an assault weapon?

Just those that have been explicitly defined as assault weapons like machine guns or fully automatic rifles. Semi-automatics are fine with me, that's what most guns are anyway including those in my house.

You do know that there is little difference mechanically between a AR-15 and a M16 right?

[Shrillland]

Just those that have been explicitly defined as assault weapons like machine guns or fully automatic rifles. Semi-automatics are fine with me, that's what most guns are anyway including those in my house.

You do know that there is little difference mechanically between a AR-15 and a M16 right?

I do, yes. But that little difference means a much slower firing rate, I believe. Like I say, I'm no expert myself, which is another reason I'm not one for banning guns. Most I'd do is limit the size of magazines to 10 rounds.

[Loben The 2nd]

You do know that there is little difference mechanically between a AR-15 and a M16 right?

I do, yes. But that little difference means a much slower firing rate, I believe. Like I say, I'm no expert myself, which is another reason I'm not one for banning guns. Most I'd do is limit the size of magazines to 10 rounds.

Didn’t California just declare 10 round magazines to be functionally useless?

[Shrillland]

I do, yes. But that little difference means a much slower firing rate, I believe. Like I say, I'm no expert myself, which is another reason I'm not one for banning guns. Most I'd do is limit the size of magazines to 10 rounds.

Didn’t California just declare 10 round magazines to be functionally useless?

A federal judge in his opinion did, yes, but the case is now going to the 9th Circuit, and from there to SCOTUS, I'm sure.

[Loben The 2nd]

Didn’t California just declare 10 round magazines to be functionally useless?

A federal judge in his opinion did, yes, but the case is now going to the 9th Circuit, and from there to SCOTUS, I'm sure.

Perfect.

[Zurkerx]

Returning to the issue at hand: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cory-booker-proposes-national-gun-licensing-program/ar-AAAY89V

I'm not sure about this, tbh. Although I support strengthened background checks and banning full assault weapons, there are two amendments that Booker's plan violates, the 10th and the 14th.

The Dems literally just need to leave guns alone. This is a topic they routinely lose on and it only helps the GOP get more votes.

Hey, Hey Democrats, go away! Leave my guns alone today!

I think we can get an orchestra of people chanting this, just like they did against LBJ. But seriously, this is dumb and violates not only the 10th and 14th, but potentially the 2nd. I say that because, well, I suspect pro-gun people would, and the fact the Supreme Court would strike this down given the justices on said court.

[Telconi]

The Dems literally just need to leave guns alone. This is a topic they routinely lose on and it only helps the GOP get more votes.

Abandon an issue with widespread popular support?

Horrible beliefs should be abandoned no matter how popular.

[San Lumen]

Abandon an issue with widespread popular support?

Horrible beliefs should be abandoned no matter how popular.

This might come as a shock to you but your area is not all that matters.

[Telconi]

Horrible beliefs should be abandoned no matter how popular.

This might come as a shock to you but your area is not all that matters.

So?

[San Lumen]

This might come as a shock to you but your area is not all that matters.

So?

what do you mean so? Your beliefs arent all that matter and everything doesn't revolve around your little town and county

[Gormwood]

Horrible beliefs should be abandoned no matter how popular.

This might come as a shock to you but your area is not all that matters.

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[Washington Resistance Army]

So?

what do you mean so? Your beliefs arent all that matter and everything doesn't revolve around your little town and county

Why do you always come back to this?

[Galloism]

Returning to the issue at hand: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cory-booker-proposes-national-gun-licensing-program/ar-AAAY89V

I'm not sure about this, tbh. Although I support strengthened background checks and banning full assault weapons, there are two amendments that Booker's plan violates, the 10th and the 14th.

Bye Cory.

[San Lumen]

what do you mean so? Your beliefs arent all that matter and everything doesn't revolve around your little town and county

Why do you always come back to this?

Im tired of the attitude that only one sides views matter.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why do you always come back to this?

Im tired of the attitude that only one sides views matter.

But, like, he didn't even bring up anything about his town or county. Why do you always wanna argue about urban v rural stuff lol

[Grinning Dragon]

I got my words mixed up, I just meant assault weapons, which we already ban right now of course.

What is an assault weapon?

A made up political name/classification in an attempt to create a firearm classification of certain firearms that look scary.

[San Lumen]

Im tired of the attitude that only one sides views matter.

But, like, he didn't even bring up anything about his town or county. Why do you always wanna argue about urban v rural stuff lol

They heavily implied it

[Galloism]

Why do you always come back to this?

Im tired of the attitude that only one sides views matter.

I'm tired of people thinking the constitution is something to just be thrown out whenever it's inconvenient.

And both sides do that. I hate it.

[Telconi]

So?

what do you mean so? Your beliefs arent all that matter and everything doesn't revolve around your little town and county

It's possible to not be scum to people even though they aren't the only ones that matter.

Gays aren't the only folks that matter, but tossing them off buildings is still bad right? Black people aren't the only people that matter but owning them as slaves is still bad right? Or are these things fine because "YoUr'E vIeWs ArEn'T tHe OnLy OnEs WhIcH mAtTeR!"?

[San Lumen]

Im tired of the attitude that only one sides views matter.

I'm tired of people thinking the constitution is something to just be thrown out whenever it's inconvenient.

And both sides do that. I hate it.

I agree both sides are guilty. Republicans also view free and fair elections as an annoyance or they wouldnt be appealing decisions striking down gerrymandering and would be working to secure our elections

[Telconi]

But, like, he didn't even bring up anything about his town or county. Why do you always wanna argue about urban v rural stuff lol

They heavily implied it

I didn't. You just went there because it's your thing.

[Telconi]

I'm tired of people thinking the constitution is something to just be thrown out whenever it's inconvenient.

And both sides do that. I hate it.

I agree both sides are guilty. Republicans also view free and fair elections as an annoyance or they wouldnt be appealing decisions striking down gerrymandering and would be working to secure our elections

Hey man, if ol' Booker gets a pass for slapping shit licenses on stuff why not do it to voting too?