2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Gormwood]

For starters saying prisoners should vote including people like Boston bomber isn't supported by many Democrats even. The attack ads would write themselves. It would be like Willie Horton all over again

For once you say something I can actually bloody agree with.

Former convicts who have been fully rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society should naturally regain their right to vote, but currently incarcerated criminals? Are they fucking nuts?

Inmate enfranchisement would give prison reform a significant electoral boost however, encouraging rehabilitation and reentry into society which in effect reduces recidivism and lowers prison costs. However that would put private prisons out of business and we can't have that now can we?

[San Lumen]

For once you say something I can actually bloody agree with.

Former convicts who have been fully rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society should naturally regain their right to vote, but currently incarcerated criminals? Are they fucking nuts?

Inmate enfranchisement would give prison reform a significant electoral boost however, encouraging rehabilitation and reentry into society which in effect reduces recidivism and lowers prison costs. However that would put private prisons out of business and we can't have that now can we?

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

[Western Vale Confederacy]

For once you say something I can actually bloody agree with.

Former convicts who have been fully rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society should naturally regain their right to vote, but currently incarcerated criminals? Are they fucking nuts?

There is always common ground.

I believe that unless your a rapist or murderer you should be allowed to vote after serving your time

As much as it hurts to say this, it would apply to all former convicts, even murderers and sex offenders.

The lucky counterbalance to this however is that most convicts that commit heinous crimes such as murder and rape usually never get to step onto the free man’s side of the barbed wire fence for many decades, and their probation and rehabilitation processes are even longer than that, so for many if not most, they’d die of old age before ever regaining full civic rights.

[San Lumen]

There is always common ground.

I believe that unless your a rapist or murderer you should be allowed to vote after serving your time

As much as it hurts to say this, it would apply to all former convicts, even murderers and sex offenders.

The lucky counterbalance to this however is that most convicts that commit heinous crimes such as murder and rape usually never get to step onto the free man’s side of the barbed wire fence for many decades, and their probation and rehabilitation processes are even longer than that, so for many if not most, they’d die of old age before ever regaining full civic rights.

define former convicts

[Western Vale Confederacy]

As much as it hurts to say this, it would apply to all former convicts, even murderers and sex offenders.

The lucky counterbalance to this however is that most convicts that commit heinous crimes such as murder and rape usually never get to step onto the free man’s side of the barbed wire fence for many decades, and their probation and rehabilitation processes are even longer than that, so for many if not most, they’d die of old age before ever regaining full civic rights.

define former convicts

Anybody who have served their sentence fully, probation and rehabilitation included, and fully reintegrated into society.

[Gormwood]

Inmate enfranchisement would give prison reform a significant electoral boost however, encouraging rehabilitation and reentry into society which in effect reduces recidivism and lowers prison costs. However that would put private prisons out of business and we can't have that now can we?

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

You think a single vote from Joker Whatshisname is going to have the power to affect a ballot or election?

[San Lumen]

define former convicts

Anybody who have served their sentence fully, probation and rehabilitation included, and fully reintegrated into society.

I think once you're out unless you're a sex offender or murderer you should be able to vote.

[Gormwood]

Anybody who have served their sentence fully, probation and rehabilitation included, and fully reintegrated into society.

I think once you're out unless you're a sex offender or murderer you should be able to vote.

What if you murdered an abusive partner?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

You think a single vote from Joker Whatshisname is going to have the power to affect a ballot or election?

Frankly, the guy who stole a chocolate bar or smoked a blunt three decades ago, wisened up and now is a proud father of two with a loving wife and a suburban home, but somehow still doesn’t have his right to vote back is dumb as fuck.

[San Lumen]

You think a single vote from Joker Whatshisname is going to have the power to affect a ballot or election?

Frankly, the guy who stole a chocolate bar or smoked a blunt three decades ago, wisened up and now is a proud father of two with a loving wife and a suburban home, but somehow still doesn’t have his right to vote back is dumb as fuck.

I do not disagree. Felony disenfranchisement is nothing more than a modern day Jim Crow

[USS Monitor]

Inmate enfranchisement would give prison reform a significant electoral boost however, encouraging rehabilitation and reentry into society which in effect reduces recidivism and lowers prison costs. However that would put private prisons out of business and we can't have that now can we?

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

[San Lumen]

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

The optics of it dont look good saying you'd allow people like him to vote. That wont help Sanders win the key blocs to win the White House. It would be like the Willie Horten ads. They would hound him over and over.

[The Emerald Legion]

I think once you're out unless you're a sex offender or murderer you should be able to vote.

What if you murdered an abusive partner?

Still Murder.

[Gormwood]

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

The Zombies At The Mall Entrance quandary.

[Farnhamia]

So you're saying the Democrats are too sectarian to win in 2020?

We've always been bitterly sectarian, which I personally attribute to the fact that intelligent people, when put into a group, always believe that they and they alone hold all the answers and happily split into lots of sub-groups. I'm not saying Republicans are less intelligent, mind, I'm saying they don't have that intelligence superiority complex that Democrats hold.

I don't know about the "they and they alone" part, it's just that everyone comes up with competing ideas and they ... compete. It was, after all, Donald Trump you said, "I alone can fix it" when speaking of the government gridlock. I do think the Democrats will come together behind the eventual candidate. I like Biden, I do not like Sanders (but I'd vote for him).

[Gormwood]

Although the lack of self-awareness if the Republicans attack Biden on the complaints against him involving women will be amusing black comedy.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

What if you murdered an abusive partner?

Still Murder.

At least petty treason isn't a crime anymore.

[Thuzbekistan]

For once you say something I can actually bloody agree with.

Former convicts who have been fully rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society should naturally regain their right to vote, but currently incarcerated criminals? Are they fucking nuts?

There is always common ground.

I believe that unless your a rapist or murderer you should be allowed to vote after serving your time

After serving time and finishing parole, absolutely

[Hakons]

I dont know about you but I dont want the Boston Bomber voting

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

Inmates "voting themselves out of prison" is exactly why inmates shouldn't vote. They've violated laws and other people's rights and liberties, thus are in prison, and thus have some of their liberties limited. It's not just the Boston bomber that shouldn't vote, my goodness. There's no electoral bloc for this insanity. It's a bad policy position, philosophically and pragmatically.

[Phoenicaea]

^ @Hakons, however the attitude of mind of 'special treatment' for crime, where crime is a public 'order' thing, as a thing against 'moral' and not as an act per se' is not liberal.

the special treatment and harsh sentence approach is not part of classical liberalism, instead it is part of 'sense of guilt' mind, which has been past-catholic mind, not properly liberalism.

freemansons elite from the begin and then the 'elites' of the being built 'rule of law' civilized state insisted, instead, on the antiquity as a 'source' of liberalism.

this should not be a coincidence, the classical approach is 'thought', it doesn t mean it to be soft, still it distinguishes between politics and guilt.

*edit, ah @Hakons, i noticed after having posted, your signature where you claim a socially minded politics, and you define it as 'catholic'.

*so post of mine should be good, and your stance is 'coherent' whit that. the fact is that rule of law doesn t come with moralism. 'legality' is the moral for the state.

[The Rich Port]

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

Inmates "voting themselves out of prison" is exactly why inmates shouldn't vote. They've violated laws and other people's rights and liberties, thus are in prison, and thus have some of their liberties limited. It's not just the Boston bomber that shouldn't vote, my goodness. There's no electoral bloc for this insanity. It's a bad policy position, philosophically and pragmatically.

Considering that the majority of people in jail are usually in jail due to drug possession, most likely the worst thing that's going to happen is that several drug prohibitions are going to be repealed if indeed there is going to be a prison voting bloc.

Not seeing how that's an issue, considering that we have addiction problems already and it's with both legal and illegal drugs.

The prison business would suffer, and that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

[South Odreria]

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

Inmates "voting themselves out of prison" is exactly why inmates shouldn't vote. They've violated laws and other people's rights and liberties, thus are in prison, and thus have some of their liberties limited. It's not just the Boston bomber that shouldn't vote, my goodness. There's no electoral bloc for this insanity. It's a bad policy position, philosophically and pragmatically.

You are arguing that prisoners shouldn't be able to vote... so that the government can lock up the majority of the voting population without worrying about being voted out. Wow.

[Gormwood]

He's one guy.

If your inmate population is a large enough voting bloc to do something really out-there like vote themselves out of prison, the problem is how many people you locked up to reach that point.

Inmates "voting themselves out of prison" is exactly why inmates shouldn't vote. They've violated laws and other people's rights and liberties, thus are in prison, and thus have some of their liberties limited. It's not just the Boston bomber that shouldn't vote, my goodness. There's no electoral bloc for this insanity. It's a bad policy position, philosophically and pragmatically.

Soo... where are they proposing a bill to let all the prisoners out in the first place, hmm?

[Luminesa]

Inmates "voting themselves out of prison" is exactly why inmates shouldn't vote. They've violated laws and other people's rights and liberties, thus are in prison, and thus have some of their liberties limited. It's not just the Boston bomber that shouldn't vote, my goodness. There's no electoral bloc for this insanity. It's a bad policy position, philosophically and pragmatically.

Considering that the majority of people in jail are usually in jail due to drug possession, most likely the worst thing that's going to happen is that several drug prohibitions are going to be repealed if indeed there is going to be a prison voting bloc.

Not seeing how that's an issue, considering that we have addiction problems already and it's with both legal and illegal drugs.

The prison business would suffer, and that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

And the ones who should be in jail for longer sentences (like rapists) are often not in prison. But if they were in prison as often as they should be, well I would not want to give them a right to vote on anything to do with freedoms, considering how brutally they've violated others.

[Northern Davincia]

Although the lack of self-awareness if the Republicans attack Biden on the complaints against him involving women will be amusing black comedy.

I take it you won't be voting for Biden, then.