2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Telconi]

Ajit Pai is a hero.

The opposite of one.

Argumentum ad populum.

>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

Your opinion, not mine.

Luckily my morals aren't decided by some popularity contest.

[Kowani]

The point is that when something negatively affects a majority of the population, it's time to stop going "ME ME ME!"


Not me personally. But most of America is, well, how do I say it...im-fucking-portant. And most of these people are benefited by NN. So, if you could stop misrepresenting the argument and dealing with the actual point, that'd be lovely.

Me > everyone else tbh

Sure thing, mister Dictator.

[Telconi]

No, actually it inconveniences normal every day people. But they're just mean old people who like their property intact. And their job to not be unnecessarily stupid.

Doesn't inconvenience most people and most people like it.

Don't care.

Your thirty bucks a month costs some people literally thousands because Title II is a fucking ham-handed way to achieve your goals, and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled.

Cherry picking examples.

So because negative consequences were "cherry picked" they don't matter?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The opposite of one.



>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

Your opinion, not mine.

Luckily my morals aren't decided by some popularity contest.

Democracy is the best system in the world. The people of the land should have ownership of the state and the ability to drive and control the state.

This philosophy has driven the nations with the highest standard of living forward.

To disregard it as a popularity contest beacuse one decision you defend, that you are in the minority of, is foolish.

[Kowani]

Luckily my morals aren't decided by some popularity contest.

Well...not exactly...I mean, whoever started your ideology (I don't know enough of your beliefs to say what that is), won a popularity contest, otherwise they wouldn't have gotten to you. Same with morals. Case in point, the right to self defense wasn't exactly widespread before Locke.

[Telconi]

Your opinion, not mine.

Luckily my morals aren't decided by some popularity contest.

Democracy is the best system in the world. The people of the land should have ownership of the state and the ability to drive and control the state.

This philosophy has driven the nations with the highest standard of living forward.

To disregard it as a popularity contest beacuse one decision you defend, that you are in the minority of, is foolish.

AFAIK zero countries have unbridled Democracy.

[Arlenton]

Lmao I forgot about Julian Castro.

[Ifreann]

That’d unleash a whole new level of fuckery.

Eugene V. Debs ran for president in the 1920 election while in prison in Atlanta, Georgia, at the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary. He received 919,799 votes. So ...

The Law And Order Candidate, Inmate #53391 Donald J. Trump.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Doesn't inconvenience most people and most people like it.

Don't care.

Cherry picking examples.

So because negative consequences were "cherry picked" they don't matter?

You only care about the people you put a spotlight on and not the whole population in this debate.

The government of the people should make decisions that benefit the majority not the minority.

"and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled"

Cherry picking and undermining the other argument by making it about something inconsequential when the reasons are more varied and nuanced.

[Northern Davincia]

>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

The masses are too easily fooled for me to care.

[The South Falls]

>Thing that is against what the majority of the population wants gets passed in a democracy
>Majority of the population gets pissed
>Minority uses "tyRaNnY By MaJoRitY"
>Majority rolls eyes

The masses are too easily fooled for me to care.

I mean what do you want to decide things?

[Telconi]

Don't care.



So because negative consequences were "cherry picked" they don't matter?

You only care about the people you put a spotlight on and not the whole population in this debate.

The government of the people should make decisions that benefit the majority not the minority.

"and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled"

Cherry picking and undermining the other argument by making it about something inconsequential when the reasons are more varied and nuanced.

Untrue.

Also untrue. or, at least not necessarily true.

What is or isn't "inconsequential" is a matter of opinion, one we evidently disagree on.

[Cekoviu]

Out of the current choices, I'm going to have to pick Julian Castro. He's from Texas, which may give the Democrats a slightly better chance at it; he's a person of color and relatively young, which are two huge demographics for the party at the moment; and he's got lots of experience. Also, his strong support of LGBT rights is really important to me.
Delaney is an old, white male, which doesn't help lock down any key demographics, and his positions are pretty milquetoast. We tried going moderate with Hillary, and that didn't work.
Warren does have many progressive credentials, and she has great name recognition, but her stupid claims of Native American ancestry seem to have made a bad impression on people and could hurt chances with people of color.
Trump, of course, would continue to be a disaster. Don't think I need to explain my reasoning on that one.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Democracy is the best system in the world. The people of the land should have ownership of the state and the ability to drive and control the state.

This philosophy has driven the nations with the highest standard of living forward.

To disregard it as a popularity contest beacuse one decision you defend, that you are in the minority of, is foolish.

AFAIK zero countries have unbridled Democracy.

And?

The majority should get what they want in a democracy. Any decision that is against or hinders the majority is not what democracy should output.

[Cekoviu]

Don't care.



So because negative consequences were "cherry picked" they don't matter?

You only care about the people you put a spotlight on and not the whole population in this debate.

The government of the people should make decisions that benefit the majority not the minority.

"and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled"

Cherry picking and undermining the other argument by making it about something inconsequential when the reasons are more varied and nuanced.

Is there not a different thread for this?

[Northern Davincia]

The masses are too easily fooled for me to care.

I mean what do you want to decide things?

In a perfect world, either me or no one. Otherwise, judges.

[Arlenton]

The masses are too easily fooled for me to care.

I mean what do you want to decide things?

Me, ideally. But that won’t work.

Me and likeminded people, but that’s not enough either.

So me and likeminded people teaming up with others who broadly share some similar ideas. And that’s pretty much what’s going on.

[Bombadil]

You only care about the people you put a spotlight on and not the whole population in this debate.

The government of the people should make decisions that benefit the majority not the minority.

"and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled"

Cherry picking and undermining the other argument by making it about something inconsequential when the reasons are more varied and nuanced.

Is there not a different thread for this?

Tis a silly conversation.

[Telconi]

AFAIK zero countries have unbridled Democracy.

And?

The majority should get what they want in a democracy. Any decision that is against or hinders the majority is not what democracy should output.

I adamantly disagree.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You only care about the people you put a spotlight on and not the whole population in this debate.

The government of the people should make decisions that benefit the majority not the minority.

"and yet nobody gives a shit about the folks getting thrown under the bus so long as they get to stream their pony cartoons unthrottled"

Cherry picking and undermining the other argument by making it about something inconsequential when the reasons are more varied and nuanced.

Untrue.

Also untrue. or, at least not necessarily true.

What is or isn't "inconsequential" is a matter of opinion, one we evidently disagree on.

No, it's what democracy should output, decisions that benefit the many and not the few.

[Kowani]

I mean what do you want to decide things?

Me, ideally. But that won’t work.

Me and likeminded people, but that’s not enough either.

So me and likeminded people teaming up with others who broadly share some similar ideas. And that’s pretty much what’s going on.

I mean what do you want to decide things?

In a perfect world, either me or no one. Otherwise, judges.

And here we see the wannabe dictators in their natural habitat...

Also, your definition of perfect is very subjective, ND.

[The South Falls]

I mean what do you want to decide things?

Me, ideally. But that won’t work.

Me and likeminded people, but that’s not enough either.

So me and likeminded people teaming up with others who broadly share some similar ideas. And that’s pretty much what’s going on.

Eh, true. But it's not all your whims and needs.

[Telconi]

Untrue.

Also untrue. or, at least not necessarily true.

What is or isn't "inconsequential" is a matter of opinion, one we evidently disagree on.

No, it's what democracy should output, decisions that benefit the many and not the few.

Yes, you've expressed this opinion before, I still don't share it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And?

The majority should get what they want in a democracy. Any decision that is against or hinders the majority is not what democracy should output.

I adamantly disagree.

That's fine. But that is indeed how democracy should work.

The people should have the power.

[Kowani]

And?

The majority should get what they want in a democracy. Any decision that is against or hinders the majority is not what democracy should output.

I adamantly disagree.

I mean, there should be checks against the power of the majority, but rule by minority is worse.