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Thermodolia wrote:

Page wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.

Good riddance imo, Kasich supports all the worst parts of the GOP with none of the redeeming aspects that at least make some Republicans bearable.

I'm honestly conflicted between Bernie-Friend Warren and San Antonio native Castro.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.

Good riddance imo, Kasich supports all the worst parts of the GOP with none of the redeeming aspects that at least make some Republicans bearable.

I have to ask, which parts are those?

Liriena wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:I think the DNA test incident made Warren lose a ton of credibility, but then again, no presidential candidate in recent history has ever had a clean sheet (except maybe Ross Perot)

I fear that the "Pocahontas" thing is inevitably going to taint her chances if she becomes the nominee, and she has not made herself any favors in diminishing its likely damage.

The thing is, Liz is whiter than a snowstorm.

Genivaria wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Good riddance imo, Kasich supports all the worst parts of the GOP with none of the redeeming aspects that at least make some Republicans bearable.

I have to ask, which parts are those?

Support for gun rights, not being an uber social conservative, protectionist trade policy etc. Stuff that's at least decent about some Republicans and sadly all things that Kasich does not do.

Shofercia wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Klobuchar is immensely popular in Minnesota and has proven to be an effective Senator. Her electability aside, which I believe is high, she’d also likely be an effective and conciliatory President.

MN also leans Blue, I’m sure a hypothetical 2020 Special Election for her seat wouldn’t be particularly competitive.

Klobuchar would honestly be the best bet at this point. Yo Dems, you wanted a female president? There ya go.

Id just take anyone who would be a sane human being.

Aureumterra wrote:

Card Carrying Loon wrote:I expect the Dems to run Hilary again. Probably the only one who can't beat Trump.

Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico

The odds of Trump winning Illinois are 0 unless Democrats manage to somehow blow it worse than 2016. It's more Democratic than Minnesota because of Chicago - huge and heavily blue.

As for Elizabeth Warren, I like her, but I'm not confident that she could win. Hillary probably (and hopefully) won't even run.

Atheris wrote:I would be fine with Klobuchar running, she aligns with my politics pretty good. Unfortunately, she probably won't.

She just doesn't do it for me, but I do understand the electability argument may favor her. It's not going to be inspiring for the progressive wing of the party, as I think the single payer health care issue will be a big deal in the primaries, and she isn't behind it. She'd probably have to face off against Joe Biden to be the centrist contender, too.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:But why Warren
The only more hated dem is Hillary

I think Warren is more liked than Harris.

Corrian wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:But why Warren
The only more hated dem is Hillary

I think Warren is more liked than Harris.

By a good margin too. I’d say Warren is more meme’d than hated

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

Zex wrote:I hope they stay as bias and openly undermine political hopefuls within' their party. Whatever it takes to get the Trump re-elected.

Zex wrote:I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.

As a person who sees happiness as the most important thing in life I suggest that you take the above statement into consideration when forming your opinion on Zex's opions.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Trump has failed to Make America Great Again. If anything he made it worse with his anti environmental policies and letting greedy ISPs walk all over its citizens.
Any competent centerist, left or right, for president 2020. In lieu of such a person, Golden Retriever Puppy 2020.
The lack of respect for popular democratic voteing in this republic in the last makes me think that a Smash Ultimate tournament between all the candidates would be a better way to decide the next president.

You are very edgy and for the sake of your own soul you should stop this edgyness.

Ya ya, whatever edgy boi.

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Compassion is a strength. Wrath is a sin.

Pain is just the feeling of weakness leaving your body.

Zex wrote:Pain is just the feeling of weakness leaving your body.

"PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY"

- Jane Doe, Dustbowl, 1968

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Support for gun rights,

So, is he or is he not for gun rights? If he is then isn’t that good? If not then fair enough.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:not being an uber social conservative

Kinda like the above, is he or is he not Uber social conservative? If he isn’t then I’d say that’s admirable, if he is then yeah, that’s no bueno.

Ubekibekibekibekistanstan wrote:

Aureumterra wrote:Yeah no

I do think Trump will win over the entire rust belt, as his economic policies (mainly tax reform) improved businesses in the area greatly, and I do think he will turn Illinois red by a slight margin, maybe even Minnesota. I think the main 2020 battlegrounds will be Colorado and New Mexico

The odds of Trump winning Illinois are 0 unless Democrats manage to somehow blow it worse than 2016. It's more Democratic than Minnesota because of Chicago - huge and heavily blue.

As for Elizabeth Warren, I like her, but I'm not confident that she could win. Hillary probably (and hopefully) won't even run.

Atheris wrote:I would be fine with Klobuchar running, she aligns with my politics pretty good. Unfortunately, she probably won't.

She just doesn't do it for me, but I do understand the electability argument may favor her. It's not going to be inspiring for the progressive wing of the party, as I think the single payer health care issue will be a big deal in the primaries, and she isn't behind it. She'd probably have to face off against Joe Biden to be the centrist contender, too.

Single payer is shit anyway. Multi-payer with government subsidies is better

Atheris wrote:

Zex wrote:Pain is just the feeling of weakness leaving your body.

"PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY"

- Jane Doe, Dustbowl, 1968

More like every marine ever

Thermodolia wrote:

Ubekibekibekibekistanstan wrote:The odds of Trump winning Illinois are 0 unless Democrats manage to somehow blow it worse than 2016. It's more Democratic than Minnesota because of Chicago - huge and heavily blue.

As for Elizabeth Warren, I like her, but I'm not confident that she could win. Hillary probably (and hopefully) won't even run.


She just doesn't do it for me, but I do understand the electability argument may favor her. It's not going to be inspiring for the progressive wing of the party, as I think the single payer health care issue will be a big deal in the primaries, and she isn't behind it. She'd probably have to face off against Joe Biden to be the centrist contender, too.

Single payer is shit anyway. Multi-payer with government subsidies is better

I think universal is the way to go. Multi-payer is a good idea, too, though.

Atheris wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Single payer is shit anyway. Multi-payer with government subsidies is better

I think universal is the way to go. Multi-payer is a good idea, too, though.

I think single-payer is ideal but multi-payer may be the best option for America since we already have quality private insurance.
In a way multi-payer allows the best of both worlds, accessibility, quality, and choice.

Genivaria wrote:

Atheris wrote:I think universal is the way to go. Multi-payer is a good idea, too, though.

I think single-payer is ideal but multi-payer may be the best option for America since we already have quality private insurance.
In a way multi-payer allows the best of both worlds, accessibility, quality, and choice.

I prefer the German model where the government pays about 60% of the bill with private companies picking up the rest

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I do wonder though, what do people think of Ojeda, Marriame Willeson, Delaney, and Castro?

Ojeda is Army do he gets my vote

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I do wonder though, what do people think of Ojeda, Marriame Willeson, Delaney, and Castro?

Castro? As in Fidel/Raúl Castro? Or is there another one?

Respected Castro's dairy tastes. Not so much his ideology.

Thermodolia wrote:

Page wrote:
I'm eagerly anticipating if any Republican will dare a serious primary attempt against Trump.

I hear that John Kasich is probably going to run as an independent. He has some pretty scathing words for the republicans apparently saying that if the party can’t be fixed he won’t support it.

I am interested in supporting either a primary challenge against Trump or a conservative third-party or independent candidate.

Major-Tom wrote:I’m just over here quietly hoping for either Klobuchar or Brown to run.

Both solid choices that I would be willing to support.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Support for gun rights,

So, is he or is he not for gun rights? If he is then isn’t that good? If not then fair enough.

He is not, which is removing one of the few good points about the modern GOP.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Kinda like the above, is he or is he not Uber social conservative? If he isn’t then I’d say that’s admirable, if he is then yeah, that’s no bueno.

He is very much an uber pro life social conservative and that's big minus points too.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Atheris wrote:Castro? As in Fidel/Raúl Castro? Or is there another one?

Respected Castro's dairy tastes. Not so much his ideology.

Julian Castro of course.

There's not much listed on his OnTheIssues page sadly.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:So, is he or is he not for gun rights? If he is then isn’t that good? If not then fair enough.

He is not, which is removing one of the few good points about the modern GOP.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Kinda like the above, is he or is he not Uber social conservative? If he isn’t then I’d say that’s admirable, if he is then yeah, that’s no bueno.

He is very much an uber pro life social conservative and that's big minus points too.

I see, I get what you’re saying now.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He is not, which is removing one of the few good points about the modern GOP.



He is very much an uber pro life social conservative and that's big minus points too.

I see, I get what you’re saying now.

Kasich is every part of the GOP that isn't good, and none of the parts that are good...