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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 7:16 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Gormwood wrote:A couple of blacks in a mostly white Walk Away astroturf movement.



Looked it up. Just some nonsense started by a conservative to use race to lure black voters. The walk away thing failed and so will this. If the GOP wants the black vote, earn it and you dont do that via manipulation.

Now wouldn't it be fun if someone compared the waiting time and acceptance rate between blacks who vote Democrat and blacks who vote Republican in red states?
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 7:18 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Never heard of that, and Kanye is an idiot anyway.

The rally and subsequent march got many attendees from black and hispanic backgrounds, and was almost completely ignored by the media, which is why I assume you’ve never heard of it. Just saying the dems counting on minorities to vote for them may no longer be a safe bet



There are people from those backgrounds who vote Republican. But the GOP assuming minority voters will back them based on that may not work as well as they think.

Policies are what will change their minds, and actions. Not just saying the other guy sucks. Because if they think they suck less than you, then nothing changes.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 7:20 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Looked it up. Just some nonsense started by a conservative to use race to lure black voters. The walk away thing failed and so will this. If the GOP wants the black vote, earn it and you dont do that via manipulation.

Now wouldn't it be fun if someone compared the waiting time and acceptance rate between blacks who vote Democrat and blacks who vote Republican in red states?



Ok..... Blacks have been known to get their votes thrown out when they vote Democrat in red states.. *cough* Georgia*cough*
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun May 12, 2019 7:24 pm

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But if Texas flips it's over



Florida and Texas are dangerously close to that due to Hispanic immigration.

Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 7:30 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Florida and Texas are dangerously close to that due to Hispanic immigration.

Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out



That election wasn't really on the up and up. Florida is a massive swing state and looks to stay that way.


That and Gillum did the best of any Democrat over the past 25 years, so a blue swing looks to be coming.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 7:46 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Florida and Texas are dangerously close to that due to Hispanic immigration.

Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out


Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 12, 2019 7:47 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Texas imo isn't going to go blue for at least another decade nationally, maybe two.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 7:49 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out


Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.



It doesn't. Thank God.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 7:51 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Interestingly, one of the most avid Trump supporters I have ever met was a Guatemalan (not Cuban but it still follows the same general idea) legal immigrant. I asked her once why she supported Trump and she said: “I came the US to escape crazy high taxes and huge, restricting governments. I am not about to see the US become one.” I hope that sentiment holds true for many other immigrant voters.



It doesn't. Thank God.


I fear you are correct. It’s a Shame more immigrants can’t be like her though.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 7:53 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Florida largely receives Cuban immigrants, and Cuban immigrants vote overwhelmingly red, which is part of the reason I think FL got the GOP trifecta and established itself as a red state in 2018, booting Bill Nelson out



That election wasn't really on the up and up. Florida is a massive swing state and looks to stay that way.


That and Gillum did the best of any Democrat over the past 25 years, so a blue swing looks to be coming.

Wasn't there an influx of Puerto Ricans into Florida after Hurricane Maria and Donny's Paper Towel Toss?
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 7:54 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

It doesn't. Thank God.


I fear you are correct. It’s a Shame more immigrants can’t be like her though.

The ones who try to be like her are either filthy rich, educated in high tech skills, or die waiting for their turn to come up for entry.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 7:57 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
I fear you are correct. It’s a Shame more immigrants can’t be like her though.

The ones who try to be like her are either filthy rich, educated in high tech skills, or die waiting for their turn to come up for entry.


She wasn’t educated well, nor was she terribly rich. She just loved the American dream. She came to the US seeking a new life. She worked hard and eventually got some good jobs. People like her prove the liberals wrong by simply existing.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 8:00 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The ones who try to be like her are either filthy rich, educated in high tech skills, or die waiting for their turn to come up for entry.


She wasn’t educated well, nor was she terribly rich. She just loved the American dream. She came to the US seeking a new life. She worked hard and eventually got some good jobs. People like her prove the liberals wrong by simply existing.

In the Trump Age I will not be surprised if she gets arrested by ICE and even deported despite all that. Donny apparently decided Born in East LA is a deportation primer.
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Postby The Holy Athonite State » Sun May 12, 2019 8:00 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Gormwood wrote:A couple of blacks in a mostly white Walk Away astroturf movement.



Looked it up. Just some nonsense started by a conservative to use race to lure black voters. The walk away thing failed and so will this. If the GOP wants the black vote, earn it and you dont do that via manipulation.

The Democratic Party should also earn it, instead of fear mongering and promising things that appeal to blacks like reparations. I want one of the Democratic Party candidates whos platform includes reparations to explain how they expect to have that work.

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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 8:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
She wasn’t educated well, nor was she terribly rich. She just loved the American dream. She came to the US seeking a new life. She worked hard and eventually got some good jobs. People like her prove the liberals wrong by simply existing.

In the Trump Age I will not be surprised if she gets arrested by ICE and even deported despite all that. Donny apparently decided Born in East LA is a deportation primer.


The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun May 12, 2019 8:03 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 8:05 pm

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Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 8:06 pm

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Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

lol


Sure. They do goof on occasion. Just like normal citizens are occasionally taken into custody wrongly. This is just part of large organizations tasked with law inforcement. They goof every now and then. Also, he wasn’t deported, just detained. That is literally no different than being wrongly arrested.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 8:08 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:lol


Sure. They do goof on occasion. Just like normal citizens are occasionally taken into custody wrongly. This is just part of large organizations tasked with law inforcement. They goof every now and then. Also, he wasn’t deported, just detained. That is literally no different than being wrongly arrested.

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

Lookit that goalpost roll.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 8:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Sure. They do goof on occasion. Just like normal citizens are occasionally taken into custody wrongly. This is just part of large organizations tasked with law inforcement. They goof every now and then. Also, he wasn’t deported, just detained. That is literally no different than being wrongly arrested.

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:The only people getting deported are individuals who crossed the border illegally. ICE should have full rights to deport them.

Lookit that goalpost roll.


Again, not deported.

This is no different than normal US law except you are being deported, not sentenced to prison. The only reason why there is a differentiation is because the left loves to tell people they are victims and that they are powerless. This is simply false.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun May 12, 2019 8:12 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Gormwood wrote:
Lookit that goalpost roll.


Again, not deported.

Only because the apprehended were able to prove citizenship. But they were detained and about to be deported.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 8:14 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

It doesn't. Thank God.


I fear you are correct. It’s a Shame more immigrants can’t be like her though.



I want everyone to see everything for what it is, not some state fed lie.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun May 12, 2019 8:15 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The ones who try to be like her are either filthy rich, educated in high tech skills, or die waiting for their turn to come up for entry.


She wasn’t educated well, nor was she terribly rich. She just loved the American dream. She came to the US seeking a new life. She worked hard and eventually got some good jobs. People like her prove the liberals wrong by simply existing.



No they dont. If anything she took advantage of things liberals fought for her to have.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Sun May 12, 2019 8:16 pm

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Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Again, not deported.

Only because the apprehended were able to prove citizenship. But they were detained and about to be deported.


Mhm. How do you prove your innocence in normal court if you have been wrongfully arrested? You provide an alibi. Same deal here.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun May 12, 2019 8:16 pm

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:lol


Sure. They do goof on occasion. Just like normal citizens are occasionally taken into custody wrongly. This is just part of large organizations tasked with law inforcement. They goof every now and then. Also, he wasn’t deported, just detained. That is literally no different than being wrongly arrested.

Some of the people wrongly arrested are also wrongly convicted. So it follows that some of the people picked up by ICE are wrongly deported.

Unless you think that ICE are just magically right all the time...
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