2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Duhon]

You can't meme Buttigieg... that's the one thing going for him.

[United States of Devonta]

I am going for Bernie 2020 though. I think he can beat Trump. Also, Biden and O'Rourke can. Maybe and its a big ass MAYBE, Warren.

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

In what point did I say that? I just stated which candidates I believe could win.

[Tobleste]

I am going for Bernie 2020 though. I think he can beat Trump. Also, Biden and O'Rourke can. Maybe and its a big ass MAYBE, Warren.

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

I'd also say that voting for people on the basis of what the other party thinks of them is also pretty ridiculous. Partisanship will take it's course and Biden will be seen as a socialist, SJW man hating leftist by the time the last debate comes around.

[Valrifell]

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

In what point did I say that? I just stated which candidates I believe could win.

I just think that conversations about "electability" and "who can win" are pretty worthless. Nobody can win an election until they do.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sanders has always come across as a man with big dreams, but a level head about what he can realistically accomplish, willing to work with those he doesn’t agree with in order to move forward with compromise legislation.

Recently, competing with the increasingly strident Dem field? That aura of sanity is beginning to rub off.

Consider: Buttigieg

He’s certainly the best of a wide field of newcomers, that’s for certain. Truth be told though, I’m a little bit leery of his lack of clarity on big issues, and relative inexperience. I would rather see him stuffed into the DNC for a decade or so so he can clean house than in the Oval Office.

[United States of Devonta]

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

I'd also say that voting for people on the basis of what the other party thinks of them is also pretty ridiculous. Partisanship will take it's course and Biden will be seen as a socialist, SJW man hating leftist by the time the last debate comes around.

They called Obama a Socialist.

Any candidate the Dems put up will be smeared as a "Socialist". It hardly has any weight to it anymore. But people will go on how the left calls people Nazis and forget about all the Obama years.

[Blargoblarg]

I am going for Bernie 2020 though. I think he can beat Trump. Also, Biden and O'Rourke can. Maybe and its a big ass MAYBE, Warren.

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

I'm supporting Bernie not just because I think he can beat Trump (which I think he can easily if he gets the Dem nomination), but also because I like his policies. And his policies are actually pretty popular with the American people by the way.

[Valrifell]

Consider: Buttigieg

He’s certainly the best of a wide field of newcomers, that’s for certain. Truth be told though, I’m a little bit leery of his lack of clarity on big issues, and relative inexperience. I would rather see him stuffed into the DNC for a decade or so so he can clean house than in the Oval Office.

Buttigieg has said quite a bit on big issues, though mostly pertaining to his vision for healthcare and political reform. Honestly the only reason why I don't think his website has a platform is that he didn't think he'd be getting this much attention so soon.

If you're curious, though, his supporters have set up this unofficial site that essentially compiles his media appearances so you can get his word on a variety of topics.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ya know I actually don't entirely disagree with that. I think the field is gonna be so large that someone could potentially pull a Trump and just the rip the nomination out from under those two.

I have a real sticky feeling that Buttigeg could do it, the media loves him and people tend to be very responsive towards him. I think he can beat Trump too.

I am going for Bernie 2020 though. I think he can beat Trump. Also, Biden and O'Rourke can. Maybe and its a big ass MAYBE, Warren.

I’d put Warren as a very outside run. Her brand is pretty damn toxic with centrists, and the hypocrisy of that whole bloodlines controversy is going to be a serious millstone in the current climate which do values perceived authenticity. Sure, she can enunciate policy with the best of the wonks, but I’d only vote for her over... Robo-HRC 2020 2.0?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

They called Obama a Socialist.

Any candidate the Dems put up will be smeared as a "Socialist". It hardly has any weight to it anymore. But people will go on how the left calls people Nazis and forget about all the Obama years.

It’s even worse when they call Democrats the Nazis.

[Valrifell]

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

I'm supporting Bernie not just because I think he can beat Trump (which I think he can easily if he gets the Dem nomination), but also because I like his policies. And his policies are actually pretty popular with the American people by the way.

IIRC his 70% for single-payer stat is wrong/misleading, but I'd have to dig up where I heard that from. I don't think it should be too hot a take to say that you shouldn't trust stats produced by a campaign, though.

[United States of Devonta]

Consider: Buttigieg

He’s certainly the best of a wide field of newcomers, that’s for certain. Truth be told though, I’m a little bit leery of his lack of clarity on big issues, and relative inexperience. I would rather see him stuffed into the DNC for a decade or so so he can clean house than in the Oval Office.

Bro, Trump was a TV star with no experience. Other then a small 3rd party run that he put almost zero effort into

[Valrifell]

He’s certainly the best of a wide field of newcomers, that’s for certain. Truth be told though, I’m a little bit leery of his lack of clarity on big issues, and relative inexperience. I would rather see him stuffed into the DNC for a decade or so so he can clean house than in the Oval Office.

Bro, Trump was a TV star with no experience. Other then a small 3rd party run that he put almost zero effort into

G-Tech isn't a fan of Trump either.

I think

I hope

[G-Tech Corporation]

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

I'm supporting Bernie not just because I think he can beat Trump (which I think he can easily if he gets the Dem nomination), but also because I like his policies. And his policies are actually pretty popular with the American people by the way.

One thing that always amuses me is seeing people tout ideas to give people more money as “the people are with us!”

Promise folks the moon and the stars and you’ll find plenty of willing converts.

Tell people they have to tighten their belts to pay for that moonshot, and watch the crowds melt away.

[Washington Resistance Army]

IIRC his 70% for single-payer stat is wrong/misleading, but I'd have to dig up where I heard that from. I don't think it should be too hot a take to say that you shouldn't trust stats produced by a campaign, though.

Honestly most polling like that on most every topic is misleading and the numbers tend to drastically shrink when you move away from talking points and into actual policy.

[G-Tech Corporation]

He’s certainly the best of a wide field of newcomers, that’s for certain. Truth be told though, I’m a little bit leery of his lack of clarity on big issues, and relative inexperience. I would rather see him stuffed into the DNC for a decade or so so he can clean house than in the Oval Office.

Bro, Trump was a TV star with no experience. Other then a small 3rd party run that he put almost zero effort into

Trump can suck a fat one.

Darth Pence 2021.

[Blargoblarg]

I'm supporting Bernie not just because I think he can beat Trump (which I think he can easily if he gets the Dem nomination), but also because I like his policies. And his policies are actually pretty popular with the American people by the way.
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IIRC his 70% for single-payer stat is wrong/misleading, but I'd have to dig up where I heard that from. I don't think it should be too hot a take to say that you shouldn't trust stats produced by a campaign, though.

Seventy percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' in new poll
That poll is from October of last year.

[Duhon]

Yeah, Warren's damaged goods at this point. Maybe she'd be better off as a VP pick, I dunno.

[Valrifell]

IIRC his 70% for single-payer stat is wrong/misleading, but I'd have to dig up where I heard that from. I don't think it should be too hot a take to say that you shouldn't trust stats produced by a campaign, though.

Seventy percent of Americans support 'Medicare for all' in new poll
That poll is from October of last year.

That was last year, and Medicare For All is an unclear name host to a variety of different policy propositions, from a public option to single-payer.

[United States of Devonta]

They called Obama a Socialist.

Any candidate the Dems put up will be smeared as a "Socialist". It hardly has any weight to it anymore. But people will go on how the left calls people Nazis and forget about all the Obama years.

It’s even worse when they call Democrats the Nazis.

What iv'e learned from them is the "Left" is bad and the "right" is always good. So call every authoritarian ideology in the left field and call it a good day, because only leftist can be evil.

And if someone on the "right" is bad, its because they actually are more liberal.

[Valrifell]

Yeah, Warren's damaged goods at this point. Maybe she'd be better off as a VP pick, I dunno.

Warren needs a spot somewhere in the admin. I don't know if VP would be good due to its relative powerlessness.

[United States of Devonta]

Yeah, Warren's damaged goods at this point. Maybe she'd be better off as a VP pick, I dunno.

Warren needs a spot somewhere in the admin. I don't know if VP would be good due to its relative powerlessness.

She is a big policy wonk when it comes to the Economy. I would say maybe Dept. of Labor or Treasurer

[Duhon]

Yeah, Warren's damaged goods at this point. Maybe she'd be better off as a VP pick, I dunno.

Warren needs a spot somewhere in the admin. I don't know if VP would be good due to its relative powerlessness.

She can always play the wizened old head/crazy cat lady combo the way Biden did back when Obama was president. Or she can do a Dick Cheney. She's savvy enough for that.

[Ngelmish]

Yeah, Warren's damaged goods at this point. Maybe she'd be better off as a VP pick, I dunno.

Warren needs a spot somewhere in the admin. I don't know if VP would be good due to its relative powerlessness.

Or, y'know, some of our talented people could stay in congress.

[Seangoli]

I am going for Bernie 2020 though. I think he can beat Trump. Also, Biden and O'Rourke can. Maybe and its a big ass MAYBE, Warren.

Voting for people on the basis that "they can beat the other guy" is precisely how Kerry got the nod in 04.

Please no.

It was one of his many failings. The other being that he is pure unflavored ice cream. Not vanilla, but unflavored. He had zero charisma, and this coming from someone who voted for him.