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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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CrvenaParsa
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Postby CrvenaParsa » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:59 am

Is Tulsi Gabbard on the payroll of Modi? :rofl:

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South Odreria
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Postby South Odreria » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:20 am

Zurkerx wrote:After exploring for god knows how long, Senator Gillibrand officially announces she's running. I honestly don't see her getting the nomination.


She's polling at zero percent...
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:21 am

Valrifell wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Most received tax breaks.

The economy is doing great, unemployment is at record lows, there are more jobs than people to fill them. Your (and the lefts in general) pig-headed refusal to acknowledge this due to your hate-boners doesn't make the facts go away.


The extent to which the President can be considered directly responsible for the economy is hotly debatable at best.


Plus Trump routinely demands personal credit for other people's work.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:32 am

South Odreria wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:After exploring for god knows how long, Senator Gillibrand officially announces she's running. I honestly don't see her getting the nomination.


She's polling at zero percent...


No endorsements either. Every elected official from NY has dodged the question of "Would you endorse her?" Probably because they're quite sure they won't.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:52 am

Bahktar wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Note I said I hope, not he will.

Still, he's better than any opposition declared so far.


How is he better than any opposition? What great things has he accomplished in his term so far?


Interesting note about relative comparison, you dont need to be great to be better.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:53 am

Valrifell wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Most received tax breaks.

The economy is doing great, unemployment is at record lows, there are more jobs than people to fill them. Your (and the lefts in general) pig-headed refusal to acknowledge this due to your hate-boners doesn't make the facts go away.


The extent to which the President can be considered directly responsible for the economy is hotly debatable at best.


But the extent to which the general public will hold the President responsible isn't.
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-Government Overreach
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-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:58 am

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The extent to which the President can be considered directly responsible for the economy is hotly debatable at best.


But the extent to which the general public will hold the President responsible isn't.


Well, of course, I won't deny that the economy is one of the things holding up the Trump presidency.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:01 pm

Free African Union wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yang is being backed and bolstered by alt-right elements, just sayin’...most likely to attempt to split the vote.

I'm aware but Yang isn't alt-right. He's bourgeois capitalist, but he is the only person taking the impacts of widespread automation seriously and how to help people. He's far from perfect; none of them are exactly the kind of person I'd want in the White House but Trump needs to go.

Yang's ideas would bring about a hyperinflationary death spiral for the United States.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:16 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Free African Union wrote:I'm aware but Yang isn't alt-right. He's bourgeois capitalist, but he is the only person taking the impacts of widespread automation seriously and how to help people. He's far from perfect; none of them are exactly the kind of person I'd want in the White House but Trump needs to go.

Yang's ideas would bring about a hyperinflationary death spiral for the United States.

did he travel to Venezuela recently it seems his ideas and Maduro have much in common
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:21 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Yang's ideas would bring about a hyperinflationary death spiral for the United States.

did he travel to Venezuela recently it seems his ideas and Maduro have much in common

Venezuela is quite inspiring to some Americans for whatever reason.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:did he travel to Venezuela recently it seems his ideas and Maduro have much in common

Venezuela is quite inspiring to some Americans for whatever reason.


Can you get new material, you're boring me.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:32 pm

South Odreria wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:After exploring for god knows how long, Senator Gillibrand officially announces she's running. I honestly don't see her getting the nomination.


She's polling at zero percent...


Zero is before one after all!

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:33 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
South Odreria wrote:
She's polling at zero percent...


Zero is before one after all!


I don't know what Gillibrand explored that lead her to the conclusion to run. Her own state's politicians refuse to endorse her and the polls aren't kind to her.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Venezuela is quite inspiring to some Americans for whatever reason.


Can you get new material, you're boring me.

Such is the fate of all teachers.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:10 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:did he travel to Venezuela recently it seems his ideas and Maduro have much in common

Venezuela is quite inspiring to some Americans for whatever reason.



Yeah, to the right looking to scare people. To actual socialists it means little.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Venezuela is quite inspiring to some Americans for whatever reason.



Yeah, to the right looking to scare people. To actual socialists it means little.

It meaning little to socialists is cause for concern. The same can be said for all failed attempts at socialism.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:23 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Yeah, to the right looking to scare people. To actual socialists it means little.

It meaning little to socialists is cause for concern. The same can be said for all failed attempts at socialism.

"It's concerning that it's inspiring"

"It's concerning that it means little"

I wish you'd make up your mind tbh
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:35 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I have decided I plan to run.

Mayor is tempting, and provides me more power to push my policies.

But, ultimately, it is easier to persuade people to vote for a 19/20 year old as a council member than mayor, of a large city.

As such, I am running for City Council of one of the largest cities of Portlad.

I will even show my platform, etc., once I polish it up. My candidate committee filing will be filed once I firmly establish who my campaign manager, and campaign treasurer, are.

So, 2020 is not just the race to beat Trump, but the race that could make or break my political career, as a youth.


I have joined SmashBros2020. :p

Portlad? And what did I say about using the US miscellaneous elections thread?
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Postby Ever Victorious Iron Willed Commanders » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:35 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I have decided I plan to run.

Mayor is tempting, and provides me more power to push my policies.

But, ultimately, it is easier to persuade people to vote for a 19/20 year old as a council member than mayor, of a large city.

As such, I am running for City Council of one of the largest cities of Portlad.

I will even show my platform, etc., once I polish it up. My candidate committee filing will be filed once I firmly establish who my campaign manager, and campaign treasurer, are.

So, 2020 is not just the race to beat Trump, but the race that could make or break my political career, as a youth.


I have joined SmashBros2020. :p

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:40 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Portlad? And what did I say about using the US miscellaneous elections thread?


I thought this was, couldn't find the misc one can you link me? Also I meant Oregon. There goes my sense of mystery. :lol2:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458107 ... it's the 2019 Miscellaneous ... anyway, I'm sure it'll experience a surge in posting with your contributions. ;)
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Postby Port Jefferson » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:39 pm

Oranjea wrote:Isn't Bernie just too old? He would enter office at the age of 79, which coincidentally is the average life expectancy of American men. There is a serious chance he will die in office, or otherwise be severely impaired (Reagan ringing a bell?) His VP pick better be good.


If we are going to look at age, Joe Biden would be another concern. Biden is only a year and a half younger than Bernie.

Both men would be entering office at an older age than Reagan was when he left office.

But, both men are career politicians and have excellent health care. I doubt they would have a major health issue or die during their first term.

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Postby Port Jefferson » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Tyrassueb wrote:As per Google

Ageist - Adjective & Noun
Adjective: Characterized by or showing prejudice or discrimination on the grounds of a person's age. "A lot of ageist jokes about not being able to use technology"
Noun: a person with ageist views. "Critics who contend that her age is an issue have been dismissed as ageists who are out of touch with the times"


Do I have concerns about Bernie dying in office? No more so than any other president. We've only had 2 presidents die in office of natural causes (Harrison and Roosevelt) but 4 died of assassination (Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy). And Bernie shows that he is still active and sound of mind, having stuck to his guns for what? 40 some years and still pounding out the same rhetoric? Dude has more energy than me even - I get worn out just walking a few blocks to turn in books at my local library, Bernie does something like 17 campaign stops in 15 states in around that same number of days or so. I can barely even stomach flying, letting alone being on a plane cross country repeatedly for two weeks (and more, considering he was pinballing around before and after those stops).

But trying to use age as a disqualifier beyond that established in the US Constitution is ageist.


Actually, four have died in office from natural causes. You forgot Zachary Taylor and Warren Harding. James Polk and Chester Arthur probably knew they were dying when they left office.

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Postby Port Jefferson » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:46 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:2021 cant come fast enough. Will be so happy when Trump gets the bums rush.


I am hoping he pulls a Reagan-esque landslide.


We don't want him to win in a landslide. That would mean 4 years of more investigations due to Democrats being butthurt.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:54 pm

Port Jefferson wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I am hoping he pulls a Reagan-esque landslide.


We don't want him to win in a landslide. That would mean 4 years of more investigations due to Democrats being butthurt.


Tbf you'd have to be pretty brainless to not use the weaponized investigation to your own ends (if you buy that narrative), especially if it's not even you that weaponized it.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:55 pm

Port Jefferson wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I am hoping he pulls a Reagan-esque landslide.


We don't want him to win in a landslide. That would mean 4 years of more investigations due to Democrats being butthurt.


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