2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Major-Tom]

Somewhere between like 5 and 95% probably.

You know you may be right

As always.

[Uiiop]

I think I should add a caveat in regards to my last post, too. I'd say only 5-10% (just speculative) of diehard Bernie supporters voted Trump out of spite last cycle. Not all of the members of the AOC sorta style left are rigid, in fact, most recognize the need for pragmatism. I just think that the 5-10% of them who are so ideologically stubborn can make a defining difference in elections.

A reminder that as a whole Bernie supporters were better on this than the previous groups. For other people not you major.
Like you said it the fewer majority may be close enough. However they are many other factors in voter turnout; with Florida's ex-cons in play and with margin states focusing on voting rights it may not matter that the quote unquote "Bern-or-busters" are the same.

[Vassenor]

Will the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump out of spite in '16 jump back on the Bernie train?

I'm just praying that in the likely event Bernie doesn't clinch the nomination, that they don't abstain or even vote Trump again out of spite. I am sympathetic and largely supportive of the progressive movement. My biggest grievance is the rigidity some members of that movement espouse, wherein if a candidate doesn't align with them 100%, they're cast aside as a "dirty corporate Dem." While I have grievances with the more centrist Democrats and their respective caucus, I hate the notion that they're some "boogeyman."

Honestly, if they did go Trump they weren't actually interested in what Sanders had to say. If they were they'd have listened when he said to vote Dem.

[Ngelmish]

Will the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump out of spite in '16 jump back on the Bernie train?

I'm just praying that in the likely event Bernie doesn't clinch the nomination, that they don't abstain or even vote Trump again out of spite. I am sympathetic and largely supportive of the progressive movement. My biggest grievance is the rigidity some members of that movement espouse, wherein if a candidate doesn't align with them 100%, they're cast aside as a "dirty corporate Dem." While I have grievances with the more centrist Democrats and their respective caucus, I hate the notion that they're some "boogeyman."

It depends on whether or not, and to what extent, Sanders campaigns on insinuations that him not winning the primary is evidence of a corrupt process. Hopefully he'll know better than to do that this time, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Ayytaly]

>be me
>libertarian
>edgy as f
>loves guns
>becomes potus
>bans any sort of gun control
>rifles are popular
>"take that, reagan!"
>guys with intent to kill buy guns
>tell people to buy more guns
>they buy guns
>guys that talk too loud are shot
>the elderly are shot for walking to slow
>"muh 2A"


Libertarianism is a mental disorder

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Bern ain't a socialist, he's a Soc Dem. He does not believe in the worker's ownership the means of production.

Agreed. He may consider himself one, but he uses incorrect terms for himself. Nonetheless, I still support him.

Which is sad because the term "democratic socialist" carries heavy negative connotations in America, and "social democrat" would avoid that big time.

That’s one of the few hicks I can find with Bernie, he’s not helping himself by wrongly classifying himself with a term that most Americans associate with the failures of the Second World.

[Farnhamia]

>be me
>libertarian
>edgy as f
>loves guns
>becomes potus
>bans any sort of gun control
>rifles are popular
>"take that, reagan!"
>guys with intent to kill buy guns
>tell people to buy more guns
>they buy guns
>guys that talk too loud are shot
>the elderly are shot for walking to slow
>"muh 2A"


Libertarianism is a mental disorder

*** Warned for trolling ***

[Tobleste]

Agreed. He may consider himself one, but he uses incorrect terms for himself. Nonetheless, I still support him.

Which is sad because the term "democratic socialist" carries heavy negative connotations in America, and "social democrat" would avoid that big time.

That’s one of the few hicks I can find with Bernie, he’s not helping himself by wrongly classifying himself with a term that most Americans associate with the failures of the Second World.

Yeah I don't get that. It's like they've just accepted the rights caricature of all left of centre economic ideas as socialist.

[Shrillland]

Which is sad because the term "democratic socialist" carries heavy negative connotations in America, and "social democrat" would avoid that big time.

That’s one of the few hicks I can find with Bernie, he’s not helping himself by wrongly classifying himself with a term that most Americans associate with the failures of the Second World.

Yeah I don't get that. It's like they've just accepted the rights caricature of all left of centre economic ideas as socialist.

It's been 20 years in the making, they need to make everything that opposes them evil, or it's not worth fighting against. Don't worry, we lefties do the same thing.

[Farnhamia]

Yeah I don't get that. It's like they've just accepted the rights caricature of all left of centre economic ideas as socialist.

It's been 20 years in the making, they need to make everything that opposes them evil, or it's not worth fighting against. Don't worry, we lefties do the same thing.

The thing is, the right's demonization of socialism may make it more appealing to people. Times have changed but the right hasn't.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The thing is, the right's demonization of socialism may make it more appealing to people. Times have changed but the right hasn't.

The right has changed, sacrificing christianity and free trade for extreme nationalism.

Other than that, yeah, you're basically right.

Sacrificing Christianity is a good thing.

[Shofercia]

Will the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump out of spite in '16 jump back on the Bernie train?

Contrary to Clinton's propaganda, most Bernie supporters I know didn't vote for Trump out of spite - they voted for Trump because they were sick and tired of insiders in DC. Considering that Trump is sure to get the Republican Nomination, I think they'll rally back to Sanders.

Will the Bernie supporters who voted for Trump out of spite in '16 jump back on the Bernie train?

I'm just praying that in the likely event Bernie doesn't clinch the nomination, that they don't abstain or even vote Trump again out of spite. I am sympathetic and largely supportive of the progressive movement. My biggest grievance is the rigidity some members of that movement espouse, wherein if a candidate doesn't align with them 100%, they're cast aside as a "dirty corporate Dem." While I have grievances with the more centrist Democrats and their respective caucus, I hate the notion that they're some "boogeyman."

It wasn't that, it was insider vs outsider.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sacrificing Christianity is a good thing.

Christianity is the only reason why I liked the Republicans in the first place.

The retarded Christian social conservatism is why a lot of other people don't like them. Eject all that shit from the party and keep moving in a nationalist and protectionist direction and things will be good.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Is it bad Trump is the only one I am remotely familiar with?

[Free Arabian Nation]

Is it bad Trump is the only one I am remotely familiar with?

Nah, that's fair.

Do you know Biden, or Bernie at least though?

Oh right, Bernie.

Yeah, Heard about Bernie and Trump, and I remember reading a meme about how Warren tried to claim native American ancestry... but that's it really.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nah, that's fair.

Do you know Biden, or Bernie at least though?

Oh right, Bernie.

Yeah, Heard about Bernie and Trump, and I remember reading a meme about how Warren tried to claim native American ancestry... but that's it really.

She's 1/1024th native you racist!

[Major-Tom]

I think I should add a caveat in regards to my last post, too. I'd say only 5-10% (just speculative) of diehard Bernie supporters voted Trump out of spite last cycle. Not all of the members of the AOC sorta style left are rigid, in fact, most recognize the need for pragmatism. I just think that the 5-10% of them who are so ideologically stubborn can make a defining difference in elections.

A reminder that as a whole Bernie supporters were better on this than the previous groups. For other people not you major.
Like you said it the fewer majority may be close enough. However they are many other factors in voter turnout; with Florida's ex-cons in play and with margin states focusing on voting rights it may not matter that the quote unquote "Bern-or-busters" are the same.

I totally agree, there were a number of factors that played into the Trump victory. But seeing the current disintegration of American political culture, I'd argue that any factor (aside from the obvious base and GOP yada yada) that would act as a boon to Trump should be concerning.

[Major-Tom]

I'm just praying that in the likely event Bernie doesn't clinch the nomination, that they don't abstain or even vote Trump again out of spite. I am sympathetic and largely supportive of the progressive movement. My biggest grievance is the rigidity some members of that movement espouse, wherein if a candidate doesn't align with them 100%, they're cast aside as a "dirty corporate Dem." While I have grievances with the more centrist Democrats and their respective caucus, I hate the notion that they're some "boogeyman."

Honestly, if they did go Trump they weren't actually interested in what Sanders had to say. If they were they'd have listened when he said to vote Dem.

There were a number of people who simply thought he was "coerced" or some shit. Now, granted, I'm confident very few individuals had that notion. There were also some individuals who just wanted to spite Hillary. I get being skeptical of her...well, entire career, in general, but she wasn't some boogeyman, nor some "evil" woman or anything.

But, the early indicators for this 2020 race leave me with a sense of cautious optimism in general.

I'm just praying that in the likely event Bernie doesn't clinch the nomination, that they don't abstain or even vote Trump again out of spite. I am sympathetic and largely supportive of the progressive movement. My biggest grievance is the rigidity some members of that movement espouse, wherein if a candidate doesn't align with them 100%, they're cast aside as a "dirty corporate Dem." While I have grievances with the more centrist Democrats and their respective caucus, I hate the notion that they're some "boogeyman."

It depends on whether or not, and to what extent, Sanders campaigns on insinuations that him not winning the primary is evidence of a corrupt process. Hopefully he'll know better than to do that this time, but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't see him railing against the DNC or anything. Sure, he'll probably take some jabs, but he's a smart and surprisingly calculated guy. I don't see him taking that risk, even if he is fuming.

[South Odreria]

Drink every time someone blames Bernie for Trump. It's fine because you're not driving you're on the hype train. #greennewdeal

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

She's 1/1024th native you racist!

Oh right, Bernie.

Yeah, Heard about Bernie and Trump, and I remember reading a meme about how Warren tried to claim native American ancestry... but that's it really.

I roll my eyes on both side at this tbh.

Her ancestry on the Native is way below minimum, tbh. If there is the minimum standard on claiming ancestry.

Also, the 2020 US Presidential Election is kinda lacking on the young side, hmm? Not enough young presidential candidates (40-50).

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Her ancestry on the Native is way below minimum, tbh. If there is the minimum standard on claiming ancestry.

Also, the 2020 US Presidential Election is kinda lacking on the young side, hmm? Not enough young presidential candidates (40-50).

I say 35-57 is young honestly, for Presidential candidates.

Tulsi Gabbard is one, I can say that for sure. I mean I understand people will judge young presidential candidates under the assumption that they are not experienced enough or other not smart reasons.

[Blargoblarg]

Is it still possible to update the poll for this thread? Because if so, I'd like to pick Bernie.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Honestly we should ban inactive and non-regular NSG users from making megathreads tbh

[Shrillland]

Honestly we should ban inactive and non-regular NSG users from making megathreads tbh

Far easier said than done. Activity levels change all the time.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Honestly we should ban inactive and non-regular NSG users from making megathreads tbh

Far easier said than done. Activity levels change all the time.

I nominate you for all election related things