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2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:09 am

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Y’know, you can’t just solely rely on minorities to catapult yourself to victory.

That’s why they are, y’know, minorities.



http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/11/05/i ... g-victory/

Obama won 43% of the White vote in 2008

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012

And 39% in 2012

So yeah, Democrats really can.


You literally just proved my point.

He still needed a portion of the majority to win.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:16 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/11/05/i ... g-victory/

Obama won 43% of the White vote in 2008

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012

And 39% in 2012

So yeah, Democrats really can.


You literally just proved my point.

He still needed a portion of the majority to win.


Lol. Take your victories where you can get them huh?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:16 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

http://www.pewresearch.org/2008/11/05/i ... g-victory/

Obama won 43% of the White vote in 2008

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012

And 39% in 2012

So yeah, Democrats really can.


You literally just proved my point.

He still needed a portion of the majority to win.


Numerically it's impossible to win with 0% white folk.

It's also terribly unlikely that Dems get under 35% of the white vote.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:17 am

Valrifell wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
You literally just proved my point.

He still needed a portion of the majority to win.


Numerically it's impossible to win with 0% white folk.

It's also terribly unlikely that Dems get under 35% of the white vote.


My point is they can win with less than 40% of the White vote. Some on the right think you need 50% of them to win, you don't.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:49 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I have literally no hope of Trump losing so who am I going to waste my vote on this time?


Probably Schultz tbh. He won't win but with his resources he might be able to break that 5% mark.

You're telling people to vote for the Democrat who just wants to keep his own tax bill down?

Are you okay?
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:11 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I have literally no hope of Trump losing so who am I going to waste my vote on this time?



If Schultz doesn't run Trump has literally no hope of winning.
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Mystic Warriors
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Probably Schultz tbh. He won't win but with his resources he might be able to break that 5% mark.

You're telling people to vote for the Democrat who just wants to keep his own tax bill down?

Are you okay?



More like a Billionaire trying to help another Billionaire to win.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:13 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Probably Schultz tbh. He won't win but with his resources he might be able to break that 5% mark.

You're telling people to vote for the Democrat who just wants to keep his own tax bill down?

Are you okay?


I'd desperately like to see literally anyone do well as an independent. The hope is it creates more momentum for election reform.
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Postby Myrensis » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:14 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I have literally no hope of Trump losing so who am I going to waste my vote on this time?



If Schultz doesn't run Trump has literally no hope of winning.


Now now, the fact that Trump is President at all should be a reminder never to overestimate the voters. Complacency would be a bad idea.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:16 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

If Schultz doesn't run Trump has literally no hope of winning.


Now now, the fact that Trump is President at all should be a reminder never to overestimate the voters. Complacency would be a bad idea.



No complacency, just facts.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:17 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

If Schultz doesn't run Trump has literally no hope of winning.


Now now, the fact that Trump is President at all should be a reminder never to overestimate the voters. Complacency would be a bad idea.


No one's saying be complacent. We do, however, have good grounds to believe that we can win next year provided our candidate isn't a total disaster.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Now now, the fact that Trump is President at all should be a reminder never to overestimate the voters. Complacency would be a bad idea.


No one's saying be complacent. We do, however, have good grounds to believe that we can win next year provided our candidate isn't a total disaster.


Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:26 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No one's saying be complacent. We do, however, have good grounds to believe that we can win next year provided our candidate isn't a total disaster.


Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


How would she be a disaster? A lot of people I know are very excited about her

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
No one's saying be complacent. We do, however, have good grounds to believe that we can win next year provided our candidate isn't a total disaster.


Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


Harris and Warren respectively both would be the worst choices for candidates, tbh.

Harris because, obviously. Her record speaks for itself.
Warren, while she's a good Senator and has good ideas, she can't help but meet Trump on his terms and putting her foot in her mouth.
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Postby Hediacrana » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:37 pm

Ayytaly wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:^ This.

Also, nice example of how while many conservatives love to complain about identity politics, they themselves are are usually the ones pushing an identity-driven agenda. If you support Trump because you're worried about the country getting more racially diverse, or more feminist, or more respectful of LGBTQ rights, that' support is a form of identity politics plain and simple.

It's no coincidence that while the Dems are now mainly talking about health care and the Green New Deal, Republicans are obsessing over immigration: Republicans tend to be at least as obsessed with identity issues as Democrats, even if they present it as a leftist thing. That right wing hypocrisy was majestically demonstrated by by Danica Roem, the transwoman who got into the Virginia legislature in 2017; during the election, while her Republican opponent's campaign kept bringing up her gender, she herself was consistently centering infrastructure that badly needed to be updated, and that got her elected.

Problem is, many minorities are conservative in their own right. Gays, weed, and abortion are cardinal sins in their eyes. I've said before that if the Dems want to win, they need to appeal half of the boomers and half of the conservative non-WASP population.

You did not respond to my point in any way. Please try again.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:39 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I have literally no hope of Trump losing so who am I going to waste my vote on this time?



If Schultz doesn't run Trump has literally no hope of winning.

If so then Schultz will definitely run.


Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You're telling people to vote for the Democrat who just wants to keep his own tax bill down?

Are you okay?


I'd desperately like to see literally anyone do well as an independent. The hope is it creates more momentum for election reform.

An independent doing well would be used as a reason not to have electoral reform.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


Harris and Warren respectively both would be the worst choices for candidates, tbh.

Harris because, obviously. Her record speaks for itself.
Warren, while she's a good Senator and has good ideas, she can't help but meet Trump on his terms and putting her foot in her mouth.

Whats bad about Harris?

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Postby Trumptonium1 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


How would she be a disaster? A lot of people I know are very excited about her


a lot of people are excited about jeremy corbyn

he's still as popular as a fart in an elevator outside of the party membership
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


Harris and Warren respectively both would be the worst choices for candidates, tbh.

Harris because, obviously. Her record speaks for itself.
Warren, while she's a good Senator and has good ideas, she can't help but meet Trump on his terms and putting her foot in her mouth.


I'd say Warren is def the worst choice. While I'd argue Harris' record is worse Warren is just a huge gaffe machine and she just always seems to make it worse.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless someone like Biden jumps in there's a not insignificant chance you'll end up with a disaster ie Harris tbh


How would she be a disaster? A lot of people I know are very excited about her

Have you seen her record as DA and AG? It’s goddamn awful. She let killers walk, let innocent men rot, and wanted to jail truants
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Postby South Odreria » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How would she be a disaster? A lot of people I know are very excited about her

Have you seen her record as DA and AG? It’s goddamn awful. She let killers walk, let innocent men rot, and wanted to jail truants


Yeah but shes progressive prosecutor
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How would she be a disaster? A lot of people I know are very excited about her

Have you seen her record as DA and AG? It’s goddamn awful. She let killers walk, let innocent men rot, and wanted to jail truants


I've heard her record as AG wasn't as progressive as she claims to be. She ain't no true "progressive" and probably is a Clinton 2.0, although she does have the Charisma.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Harris and Warren respectively both would be the worst choices for candidates, tbh.

Harris because, obviously. Her record speaks for itself.
Warren, while she's a good Senator and has good ideas, she can't help but meet Trump on his terms and putting her foot in her mouth.

Whats bad about Harris?

She's a cop.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Harris and Warren respectively both would be the worst choices for candidates, tbh.

Harris because, obviously. Her record speaks for itself.
Warren, while she's a good Senator and has good ideas, she can't help but meet Trump on his terms and putting her foot in her mouth.

Whats bad about Harris?



She is a Democrat
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