2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Trumptonium1]

More like Trumptonium scoffs at sanctimonious people thinking they deserve respect in society because they have severe metathesiophobia of leaving the classroom when they no longer derive any practical value from it. And has zero sympathy with their economic plight, considering it thoroughly fitting and well earned.

The worst losers from this are those who consider education important anyway, because you're devaluing the public's opinion of it, as people no longer see years of education as correlating with intelligence.

Not everyone sees public opinion as the one true measure of value.

You live in a society.

[Hediacrana]

Not everyone sees public opinion as the one true measure of value.

You live in a society.

A society made up of many different people with many different ideas about what is of value, which they develop in many different ways. There's no reason he should conform to whatever you happen to consider the singular true public's opinion.

[Hakons]

Religious people can't run for office in a secular state? That makes a mockery of what secularism is. OF COURSE religious people can hold public office, or else that is discrimination on religious grounds, a very un-secular thing. Forcing public officials to renounce their religion is clearly, obviously, and unapologetic state atheism, and you floating the idea that it is not is just blatant dishonesty.

If you could put aside the self righteous bullshit for a bit you’d realize that there are different definitions for “religious”, the one I used and that was in context is about religious orders like brothers, priests, and nuns aka the religious.

What does "flaunting your religion in public" mean? Praying too loud? Wearing religious clothing? You are describing state atheism pretty well here.

That’s not state atheism.

Preventing public displays of religion and banning religious people from office is a form of state atheism. While it is not as extreme as destroying Churches and killing religious people, it is still a form of state atheism, and one that tends to lead to this more extreme version. If you don't think setting out a group of people to be second-class citizens isn't a step to greater violations against them, you are willfully blinding yourself to history.

Congratulations for completely missing the point. Laïcité doesn’t ban people who practice a faith from office it prohibits the religious from holding office.

That’s not state atheism not by a long shot.

Regardless, such a system is entirely unconstitutional. The United States protects religious freedom from the discriminatory incursions on liberty that you propose.

The constitution can be changed.

Religion is a powerful force in America, as it is in nearly all of the world, and I'm afraid to say your dreams of forcing Christians, Jews, Muslims, ect... to apostatize to hold public office don't have a clear path to fruition.

Again you completely missed the point. Once again Laïcité doesn’t require anyone to renounce their faith, you misunderstood.

It isn't self righteous bs lol. I'm arguing for religious liberty, like a heck of a lot of other folks do too. It is not self righteous to defend religion, my goodness.

"When I say religious people, I don't mean religious people" is going to lead to confusion. Sorry for apparently going off of a false interpretation. Religious people is generally understood as, well, people that are religious. I'm part of "the religious" yet I am not clergy or monastic. I agree that clergy should not be in politics. Some protestants do it, but the Catholic Church forbids it.

Forcing people to not profess their faith in public is part of state atheism. You're also advocating for limiting free speech and freedom of assembly (along with limiting freedom of religion). A very compassionate thesis you're building here.

As mentioned before, your conception of "the religious" is wildly out of step with that of societies. Keep in mind, this topic came up because a senator was asking religious questions to a religious person that wasn't part of the clergy.

Thankfully, it is quite difficult to change the constitution. Come to think of it, I can't think of any state that would support your form of secularism, much less 3/4ths of the states.

No, the analysis still stands. Laïcité is radical secularism, a secularism that doesn't fit in the American system and has no path for implementation.

[Cretalia]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

[Tobleste]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

Tbf, that's kind of the point of primaries. If this is still the case heading into the actual election then things will be serious but for now, division is fine.

[Hediacrana]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

You might at least want to wait till the primaries are over before drawing those kind of inferences (and then still an NS poll is not exactly indicative of what will happen in the elections in 2020).

On a different note, the House Democrats have formally called for a Green New Deal, providing detail to what up till now was a fairly nebulous rallying cry. I am very curious to see how the various contenders for the Democratic candidacy are going to respond to it. Especially since the current president has inadvertently made American voters much more concerned about climate change, so it's likely to be a much bigger issue on the left than it has been.

[Cannot think of a name]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

It's over a year before the primary. The primary...c'mon, man.

[Impeck]

Remove the need for the worker.

That’s anti-worker and something I’m 100% against

You'll still need someone to keep the machines in shape as they do the work. Besides, if other countries are doing it, then we are going to have to do it.

[Len Hyet]

Trumptonium scoffs at things he doesn't understand, is wrong. More on this breaking story at 11.

More like Trumptonium scoffs at sanctimonious people thinking they deserve respect in society because they have severe metathesiophobia of leaving the classroom when they no longer derive any practical value from it. And has zero sympathy with their economic plight, considering it thoroughly fitting and well earned.

The worst losers from this are those who consider education important anyway, because you're devaluing the public's opinion of it, as people no longer see years of education as correlating with intelligence.

Trumptonium doubles down on being wrong, is still wrong. Appears to be requesting further spanking like was delivered in prior broadcast.

More on this late-breaking story at 12.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

Trump is still at 55% disapproval nationally His popularity in the OK state is going down

As for the rest state wise...

[Hediacrana]

the poll results show the same trend that gave trump the victory in 2016. democrats can't unite behind one candidate.

Trump is still at 55% disapproval nationally His popularity in the OK state is going down

As for the rest state wise...

Also, almost half of US voters are dead set against voting for Trump.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump is still at 55% disapproval nationally His popularity in the OK state is going down

As for the rest state wise...

Also, almost half of US voters are dead set against voting for Trump.

But remember according to the Pro Trump cult: all of this is fake news and lies and the only criticism that gets levied at Trump is orange man bad.

This is what actual people think. And it makes me want to scream.

[Trumptonium1]

More like Trumptonium scoffs at sanctimonious people thinking they deserve respect in society because they have severe metathesiophobia of leaving the classroom when they no longer derive any practical value from it. And has zero sympathy with their economic plight, considering it thoroughly fitting and well earned.

The worst losers from this are those who consider education important anyway, because you're devaluing the public's opinion of it, as people no longer see years of education as correlating with intelligence.

Trumptonium doubles down on being wrong, is still wrong. Appears to be requesting further spanking like was delivered in prior broadcast.

More on this late-breaking story at 12.

I thought being wrong was already pathetic enough for you, but you actually went so far as to bookmark that page as some sort of slap-down.

Sad.

[Len Hyet]

Trumptonium doubles down on being wrong, is still wrong. Appears to be requesting further spanking like was delivered in prior broadcast.

More on this late-breaking story at 12.

I thought being wrong was already pathetic enough for you, but you actually went so far as to bookmark that page as some sort of slap-down.

Sad.

Man you just don't know when to stop digging do you?

[Salandriagado]

Also, almost half of US voters are dead set against voting for Trump.

But remember according to the Pro Trump cult: all of this is fake news and lies and the only criticism that gets levied at Trump is orange man bad.

This is what actual people think. And it makes me want to scream.

"Think" might be a tad generous.

[Galloism]

IQ is fixed such that 100 is always the global average

harvard disagrees
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/brbaker/

1kg is not fixed so that a random stone in paris will always be 1kg irrespective of gravity and density

>says Harvard
>cites Hartford

:thinking:

[Far Easter Republic]

I made a poll

[Cannot think of a name]

I made a poll

You don't seem to know how megathreads work or what they're for.

[Thermodolia]

That’s anti-worker and something I’m 100% against

You'll still need someone to keep the machines in shape as they do the work. Besides, if other countries are doing it, then we are going to have to do it.

That’s literally the dumbest argument you can make. If everyone else is shooting their own citizens should we do the same?

[Thermodolia]

Adam Kokesh 2020. Meme candidate but fuck the federal government so

Come on man, if you want a meme candidate go for Vermin Supreme, Michael E. Arth, Robby Wells, or maybe, Mariamme Willamson.

Is love President Supreme, hes a dictator you can trust

[Valrifell]

You'll still need someone to keep the machines in shape as they do the work. Besides, if other countries are doing it, then we are going to have to do it.

That’s literally the dumbest argument you can make. If everyone else is shooting their own citizens should we do the same?

The problem is the capitalists are in charge, and the capitalists like making more money than the people next to them.

[Thermodolia]

That’s literally the dumbest argument you can make. If everyone else is shooting their own citizens should we do the same?

The problem is the capitalists are in charge, and the capitalists like making more money than the people next to them.

And that’s not really going to ever change. Even if the US went socialist the rest of the world won’t

[Ifreann]

Getting rid of the worker is not abolition of hierarchy or class distinction.

I don't think you understand my position.

Automation will be bad for the economy long-term in the current capitalist system, change the system, keep the automation.

Remove workers.

The means of production will seize themselves!

[Mystic Warriors]

What is this thread about again?

[Far Easter Republic]

You don't seem to know how megathreads work or what they're for.

But we do need a more active OP.....

To update polls.

This was more like a survey.