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Which Candidate do you support?

Bernie
102
33%
Beto
3
1%
Biden
15
5%
Buttigieg
27
9%
Harris
4
1%
Warren
17
6%
Yang
24
8%
Trump
88
29%
Weld
3
1%
Other
25
8%
 
Total votes : 308

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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:49 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Farn, this is your fault?!

Not just me. Most of the Democratic Party, to be honest.


I would think you two would highly like the following video which seems an eye opener - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAmpD5MvDw8
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Postby Ism » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Farn, this is your fault?!

Not just me. Most of the Democratic Party, to be honest.


Don’t blame me, I hoped for Kodos.

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Postby Hakons » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:24 pm

US-SSR wrote:President Pelosi 2019


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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:57 am

Arlenton wrote:
Horatius Cocles wrote:I hope you’re wrong but I wouldn’t be surprised. Beto was “progressive” by the standards of my state ( a state which not only refused to expand Medicaid but also ruled the ACA as unconstitutional). Beto has “charisma” going for him more than nailed down policy and Harris checks the boxes for those who don’t think beyond identity.

They sound like perfect Democratic nominees then.


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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:08 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Farn, this is your fault?!

Not just me. Most of the Democratic Party, to be honest.


Then running hillary against him. Not the smartest thing in the world.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:38 am

Hearing Kamala Harria announce is not surprising but I doubt she'll get the nomination. But this field of candidates is so far mostly women so this is going to be interesting.
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Postby United States of Natan » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:32 am

Hell yeah! #Kamala2020!!!!!

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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:33 am

Don't know what her chances of winning are...
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:27 am

The South Falls wrote:Don't know what her chances of winning are...


Not very high. Thus far, Tulsi's the best of that lot, and she also has the Berners on her side.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:49 am

Zurkerx wrote:Hearing Kamala Harria announce is not surprising but I doubt she'll get the nomination. But this field of candidates is so far mostly women so this is going to be interesting.


Well damn, Trump it is then.
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Postby Enjuku » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:57 am

Trump
Pros: hastens the coming of the revolution
Cons: didn’t serve Taco Bell to the foosball players

Warren
Pros: progressive, wonky, drinks beer
Cons: completely inept when it comes to her public image

Castro:
Pros: POC, good backstory, from an EV-rich state that will likely be a swing state
Cons: boring speaker and has a punchable face

Delaney:
Pros: moderate
Cons: white, boring, started his campaign in 2017 with zero net publicity gain

Ojeda:
Pros: veteran, progressive
Cons: voted for Trump, pretty much Jim Webb 2.0

Harris:
Pros: POC, strong personality, good taste in music
Cons: bleeds pure ambition, anti-sex work, represents one of the most liberal states

Gillibrand:
Pros: pragmatic, doesn’t apologize, stans the most for women’s rights
Cons: Claire Underwood IRL, personal beef with Trump, knock-off Hillary

Gabbard:
Pros: Bernie base, veteran, ohana means family
Cons: pro-Assad, Ron Paul from Hawaii, looooong history of homophobia and islamophobia


I’m just rooting for Biden and hoping he picks a decent, progressive VP that unites the party tbh
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:08 am

That's most likely not going to happen.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:20 am

Trump's opposition is:

- A woman who is drunk before she touches a beer, that nobody really likes except out of pity
- A discount Hillary Clinton from New York
- Latino guy who looks like Joker without makeup who spend 3 years claiming a wage for a job he made less impact in than this guy
- Random WV plebeian cupcake who will lose the nomination for being a white male anyway
- Random MD plebeian cupcake who is far too moderate and white and male for Dems

I'd say Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and can walk through this election blindfolded and still win.
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Postby South Odreria » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:21 am

Harris is a Wall Street dem (though not so much as Gillibum) and anti civil rights activist, no thanks.
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Postby Maineiacs » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:24 am

Enjuku wrote:Trump
Pros: hastens the coming of the revolution
Cons: didn’t serve Taco Bell to the foosball players

Warren
Pros: progressive, wonky, drinks beer
Cons: completely inept when it comes to her public image

Castro:
Pros: POC, good backstory, from an EV-rich state that will likely be a swing state
Cons: boring speaker and has a punchable face

Delaney:
Pros: moderate
Cons: white, boring, started his campaign in 2017 with zero net publicity gain

Ojeda:
Pros: veteran, progressive
Cons: voted for Trump, pretty much Jim Webb 2.0

Harris:
Pros: POC, strong personality, good taste in music
Cons: bleeds pure ambition, anti-sex work, represents one of the most liberal states

Gillibrand:
Pros: pragmatic, doesn’t apologize, stans the most for women’s rights
Cons: Claire Underwood IRL, personal beef with Trump, knock-off Hillary

Gabbard:
Pros: Bernie base, veteran, ohana means family
Cons: pro-Assad, Ron Paul from Hawaii, looooong history of homophobia and islamophobia


I’m just rooting for Biden and hoping he picks a decent, progressive VP that unites the party tbh



I'd love to see Biden run, just for how entertaining the debates between him and Trump would be.
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Postby Hediacrana » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:41 am

Zurkerx wrote:Hearing Kamala Harria announce is not surprising but I doubt she'll get the nomination. But this field of candidates is so far mostly women so this is going to be interesting.


Fivethirtyeight suggests her chances of becoming the nominee are actually pretty good, given the preferences of the five main constituencies within the Democratic party. The main challenge is that it's going to be a crowded field, and that some of her competitors have much more name recognition.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:43 am

Gotta admit I really don't see Harris winning a general.
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Postby South Odreria » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:49 am

Hediacrana wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Hearing Kamala Harria announce is not surprising but I doubt she'll get the nomination. But this field of candidates is so far mostly women so this is going to be interesting.


Fivethirtyeight suggests her chances of becoming the nominee are actually pretty good, given the preferences of the five main constituencies within the Democratic party. The main challenge is that it's going to be a crowded field, and that some of her competitors have much more name recognition.


That article is clickbait. 538 is supposed to be a statistics website, yet the deepest statistical analysis that article gives is that there are black people in several states. Also, that diamond thing they made is garbage. For one thing, the theoretical maximum possible support from a constituency is not the same as the actual support. For another, moderates/conservatives/independents is apparently not a constituency, despite there being way more conservatives than socialists in the Democratic Party.
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Postby Enjuku » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:50 am

Maineiacs wrote:I'd love to see Biden run, just for how entertaining the debates between him and Trump would be.


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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:51 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Gotta admit I really don't see Harris winning a general.


Maybe she wins the primary. With any luck losing to Donnie in round two will put her name in the trash compactor of history.
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Postby Maineiacs » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:00 pm

Enjuku wrote:
Maineiacs wrote:I'd love to see Biden run, just for how entertaining the debates between him and Trump would be.


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“Wrong!”

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“Beat the crap outta you!”

“Like to see you try!”

It’d be a beautiful mess




Trump would try to physically intimidate Biden, like he did to Hillary, but it won't work because Joe gives exactly zero shits; Biden will put on his best faux-friendly condescending attitude, like he did to Paul Ryan, which will infuriate Trump; Trump will call Biden some asinine nickname that he's made up; Biden will laugh it off, which will further infuriate Trump. Then Trump will get so worked up he'll say something stupid or inappropriate that would tank any other candidate, then Biden will. I'd actually be willing to pay to see that.
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Postby United States of Natan » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:04 pm

People seem to be overestimating Trump's ability to win. His popularity is dropping by the day, he's incredibly incompetent, and odds are we're going to be in a full-blown recession by this time next year. The economy, the one thing he had going for him, is on the brink of collapse. The Dem nominee will be a lot more popular, as well. The biggest factor: He has literally NO room to make any electoral college gains in 2020. IA, MI, PA, WI, and FL (which just restored voting rights for a million people, many of whom will be dems/dislike trump) are far from guaranteed victories for him (in fact, if anything, I'd say some of them are going full blue), and some other states may attain swing status, too.) and there aren't any Clinton states that are swinging toward Trump anytime soon. He has to win about 3-4 of those 5 again to have a chance. And every day it's looking less likely that he will. To the contrary, Dems have plenty of room to make gains in those 5 states, and maybe even some dark horse states.

People also seem to be underestimating Kamala's ability to win, which I find strange, considering her immense popularity. Stop buying into propaganda from the bernie-or-bust crowd.
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Postby Horatius Cocles » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:05 pm

I'm not excited about Harris at all. Same goes for Gillibrand and Booker. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets another agonizing 4 year run and then we get a Dem in 2024.
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Postby United States of Natan » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:06 pm

Horatius Cocles wrote:I'm not excited about Harris at all. Same goes for Gillibrand and Booker. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump gets another agonizing 4 year run and then we get a Dem in 2024.

Why the hell should you need to be excited about a candidate to support them? This is governance, not American fucking Idol.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:07 pm

Hediacrana wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Hearing Kamala Harria announce is not surprising but I doubt she'll get the nomination. But this field of candidates is so far mostly women so this is going to be interesting.


Fivethirtyeight suggests her chances of becoming the nominee are actually pretty good, given the preferences of the five main constituencies within the Democratic party. The main challenge is that it's going to be a crowded field, and that some of her competitors have much more name recognition.


If Democratic voters are wise enough, they won't nominate her. Hell, even Warren would be a better choice for the Democrats. But I guess we'll find out.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Gotta admit I really don't see Harris winning a general.


I agree, it's going to be tough for her in the Rust Belt, although I suspect Trump will struggle as well, depending on the candidate.
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