2019-2020 US Elections Megathread I- It Begins

[Major-Tom]

Perhaps some of her populistic credentials could bolster her in that regard, but the public perception and image she has crafted and would continue to craft during the primaries, would, in my humble opinion, simply not resonate with swing voters and former Trump voters in Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin etc etc.

I also think she will likely shift to a more cookie cutter Democrat platform.

Perhaps on some issues, but that's not something I could really hypothesize on this early tbh.

Listen, this Gabbard argument that has flooded this particular topic has become redundant, the epitome of a dead horse getting it's shit kicked in. That said - my objection was really with the adjectives you had chosen to use. I myself really don't think I can convince you that some of your grievances are perhaps overstated and heavy-handed, and I generally enjoy your posts, so Imma just leave this one be.

Ah I see, that's fair. Thank you for civility.

Of course, man.

[The South Falls]

And that's on a forum with a substantial lean towards the left (and to an extent Democrats) though.

But also in an Internet climate which has popularized right-leaning creators and rhetoric since 2016. Ever since the alt-right blurred the line between meme and propaganda, essentially. NSG's lean has diminished since I've been here, I can tell you that much.

I believe there are fewer far-lefties than there were 1 and 2/5th years ago. It's been switching to a more right-leaning environment. Although, at this point, is centrist.

[Thermodolia]

I also think she will likely shift to a more cookie cutter Democrat platform.

Perhaps on some issues, but that's not something I could really hypothesize on this early tbh.

Ah I see, that's fair. Thank you for civility.

Of course, man.

Honestly after Trump I’m not going to say who is and isn’t going to win the nomination until around March of next year

[Telconi]

I also think she will likely shift to a more cookie cutter Democrat platform.

Perhaps on some issues, but that's not something I could really hypothesize on this early tbh.

Ah I see, that's fair. Thank you for civility.

Of course, man.

My take on Gabbard is based on previous actions, she seems to have fewer hard and fast positions and more "do what gets you votes"

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It looks larger than it actually is because the Democratic option is split four other ways. The more candidates that jump in, the worse it will look, but keep in mind that 61% of posters don't want the Donald.

And that's on a forum with a substantial lean towards the left (and to an extent Democrats) though.

I wouldn't worry, outside of NSG Trump hasn't had any amount of time in the positives for popularity.

Can't imagine the shutdown is helping things for him.

[Novus Wrepland]

Reminder that Gabbard is a member of a fucking cult.

https://www.meanwhileinhawaii.org
https://www.civilbeat.org/2015/03/krishna-cult-rumors-still-dog-tulsi-gabbard/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe/amp
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/20879/Tulsi-Gabbard-Hires-Russian-Agent-to-Keep-Hawaii-Media-in-Check.aspx

written by her own aunt:

As Representative Tulsi Gabbard’s aunt, it gives me no pleasure to publicly air my doubts regarding my niece’s political agenda, which Kelefa Sanneh describes in his Profile (“Against the Tide,” November 6th). However, I take my role as a citizen seriously, and I would be remiss not to share my concerns. Sanneh raises the issue of Gabbard’s lifelong immersion in the Science of Identity Foundation, an opaque religious organization that she and its founder, Chris Butler, have attempted to reframe as a “resource.” Gabbard’s answer to a basic question about Butler is troubling: despite calling him her “guru dev” (spiritual master) in her own promotional video, she denies that he is more important than any of her other teachers. She also has a notably mixed voting record, and associations that veer from certain progressive causes to the apparent courting of such strongmen as Narendra Modi, Bashar al-Assad, and Abdel Fattah el-Sisi (not to mention Trump)—this zigzagging path through positions is vexing. Sanneh’s article walks the fine line of investigation and exposition in a way that points to shadows worthy of further illumination.

She is by far the most despicable if not corrupt Democrat I can think of and people love her because she’s anti-establishment. What a depressing situation.

[Novus Wrepland]

Perhaps on some issues, but that's not something I could really hypothesize on this early tbh.



Of course, man.

My take on Gabbard is based on previous actions, she seems to have fewer hard and fast positions and more "do what gets you votes"

She IS a snake.

[South Odreria]

I find it ironic and glorious that Ojeda is more popular than Castro, and Delaney.


At least from our political community here.

Our political community is super niche and involved/informed, the layman still has no idea that Ojeda even exists.

The layman has no idea that Delaney and to a lesser extent Castro exists. Also, Delaney is a megabum and Castro is an average "rising-star" bum.
Ojeda is a non-bum, which is probably why he has more votes.

[Hediacrana]

The chances of Gabbard becoming the actual Democratic nominee for 2020 are basically nil, so I honestly don't see the reason for all the heated discussion of the last few pages. I believe the Democrats, after the 2016 debacle, are obsessed with "electability," which is to say that they will want to go with a candidate that they believe most Americans will vote for - basically, a charismatic white male who is not too old. That's a big part of the explanation of Betomania.

[Outer Sparta]

The chances of Gabbard becoming the actual Democratic nominee for 2020 are basically nil, so I honestly don't see the reason for all the heated discussion of the last few pages. I believe the Democrats, after the 2016 debacle, are obsessed with "electability," which is to say that they will want to go with a candidate that they believe most Americans will vote for - basically, a charismatic white male who is not too old. That's a big part of the explanation of Betomania.

Just having Gabbard, a so-called "progressive," in any part won't bode well. Electability can also be made to explain Sherrod Brown - an Ohio senator with a true progressive line and a history of winning elections in a tough state.

[Cannot think of a name]

I just don't think the United States is going to elect a 39-year-old* half-Polynesian vegetarian Hindu woman from American Samoa who represents Hawaii in Congress as its president.

I mean, it took a trainwreck the size of Bush Jr to get a half black senator from Hawaii with a Nigerian father who was educated in Indonesia and had a dictator's middle name elected president. With the absolute disaster that Trump is I feel like we've earned a transgender Zorastian with Iranian parents.

[Knockturn Alley]

I'm also part-jewish. Tulsi Gabbard is very worrying.

Can you give a reason why you think she is antisemitic? Everyone is worried and no one can say why

[New haven america]

I just don't think the United States is going to elect a 39-year-old* half-Polynesian vegetarian Hindu woman from American Samoa who represents Hawaii in Congress as its president.

I mean, it took a trainwreck the size of Bush Jr to get a half black senator from Hawaii with a Nigerian father who was educated in Indonesia and had a dictator's middle name elected president. With the absolute disaster that Trump is I feel like we've earned a transgender Zorastian with Iranian parents.

*Kenyan

And I'm pretty sure people wouldn't have learned their lesson from these past 2 years and we'll be getting 6 more years of Trump.

[Cannot think of a name]

I mean, it took a trainwreck the size of Bush Jr to get a half black senator from Hawaii with a Nigerian father who was educated in Indonesia and had a dictator's middle name elected president. With the absolute disaster that Trump is I feel like we've earned a transgender Zorastian with Iranian parents.

*Kenyan

Goddammit. I knew that...

[Knockturn Alley]

I just don't think the United States is going to elect a 39-year-old* half-Polynesian vegetarian Hindu woman from American Samoa who represents Hawaii in Congress as its president.

The only people who care about identity are the far left and the alt right. No one else cares if she is Hindu or Jewish or Sikh. Also she is a female minority which should bag the votes of people who yell about diversity. The right likes her foreign policy and that she has served in the military. I think she'd be the perfect candidate

[New haven america]

*Kenyan

Goddammit. I knew that...

And we may have already earned our Zoroastrian Iranian President, but we're still getting 6 more years of Trump. So yeah...

[Cannot think of a name]

Goddammit. I knew that...

And we may have already earned our Zoroastrian Iranian President, but we're still getting 6 more years of Trump. So yeah...

We're really not.

[New haven america]

And we may have already earned our Zoroastrian Iranian President, but we're still getting 6 more years of Trump. So yeah...

We're really not.

But we really are.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

We're really not.

But we really are.

Tbh unless most Republican voters and electorate are totally and completely die-hard for Trump, his chances at another term are probably not all that great.

[New haven america]

But we really are.

Tbh unless most Republican voters and electorate are totally and completely die-hard for Trump, his chances at another term are probably not all that great.

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

[Knockturn Alley]

Tbh unless most Republican voters and electorate are totally and completely die-hard for Trump, his chances at another term are probably not all that great.

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

He would have lost if it was anyone other than Clinton.

[Cannot think of a name]

Tbh unless most Republican voters and electorate are totally and completely die-hard for Trump, his chances at another term are probably not all that great.

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

A win by very thin margins in select areas. In the interim he has not grown his coalition. While his die hard support might not waiver, he has burned any benefit of the doubt to make up the difference. He has a very difficult road to pull off the same miracle twice.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah, and we thought he wasn't gonna win in 2016 and look at what that got us.

He would have lost if it was anyone other than Clinton.

The worry amongst some is that another Clinton gets chosen.

[Knockturn Alley]

He would have lost if it was anyone other than Clinton.

The worry amongst some is that another Clinton gets chosen.

[X] Doubt

If another Clintonian figure is nominated they deserve to lose lol

[Phoenicaea]

But we really are.

Tbh unless most Republican voters and electorate are totally and completely die-hard for Trump, his chances at another term are probably not all that great.

..perhaps i don t know about the country, still it seems blatant, it is no more a matter of democracy. whatever, if he wishes (if his rich sposors do) he will stay.

either way he will be overthrown, through vote or without it, will never step aside if not taken away by marines, or blackmailed.

you don t pick Trump because you wish to keep it with democracy, isn t it? even a child may understand. forgot, you have to overthrow the man who wishes to be king.

it is not i give blame, in my country it is worse than this (because if you have got a corrupted government, you then have a sane state whatsoever)

i insist, because i never though i would have seen it, this illness, to spread in most influent and most accurate democracy of these times.

most of all, it goes without saying, you have got substantial parliament, both congress and senate, elected directly with rules wrote in the stone, that is most precious thing.