81 years of The Irish Republic!

[The Archregimancy]

Today, December 29th, 2018, The Republic of Ireland celebrates it's eight first year of existence. The Irish state came into being in 1922 as the Irish Free State, a dominion of the British Commonwealth, having seceded from the United Kingdom under the Anglo-Irish Treaty. However, in 1932, power was peacefully handed over to the anti-treaty Fianna Fail party, and in 1937 (if my facts are right), the Republic of Ireland was founded.

Apologies if someone else has already addressed this (I didn't see anyone mention it in the first couple of pages of the thread), but your facts aren't right.

The Republic of Ireland didn't come into existence until the 1948 Republic of Ireland Act removed the last residual constitutional role of the British monarch. From 1937 through 1948, while the President of Ireland exercised all executive power domestically, the British monarch remained a ceremonial organ of the Irish state in foreign affairs, and all diplomats were accredited to the King. De Valera deliberately kept the status of Ireland ambiguous in this period until the 1948 act, simultaneously occasionally arguing that the country was 'functionally' a republic, but without abolishing the last links to the British Crown or formally making the Irish President the Irish head of state. Other Irish politicians of the period were, it's worth stressing, more upfront about admitting that the country wasn't a republic yet, and George VI's formal title in Ireland remained 'By the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas King, Defender of the Faith' until the Republic of Ireland Act came into force.

The 1948 act was passed on the 21st of December 1948, but didn't come into effect until the 18th of April 1949 (uncoincidentally, Easter Monday, and therefore the anniversary of the Easter Rising); it was also on this date in April that the country officially renamed itself 'the Republic of Ireland'. So this next year will see the 70th anniversary of the Irish Republic (though the independent Irish state is older, of course).


The entire thread is therefore based on a mistaken premise.

There's also no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

[Novus America]

I mean, I wasn't gonna do that dark with it...

In the grim darkness of Irish History there is only British atrocities.

I'm Irish, for United Ireland. I do however, have a problem with you celebrating terrorists.

Next you'll say the American Revolutionaries were terrorists, and that Irish should have used peaceful protest. Bootlicking is treachery.

Actually there is a lot more to Irish history than British atrocities.
Even though there were plenty of British atrocities.
But two wrongs do not make a right. Just because the British did bad things it does not excuse doing the same bad things.

The IRA was a legitimate group before 1922. After 31 January 1922 the legitimate IRA became the National Army and then later the Defence Forces.

The groups claming to be IRA after 31 January 1922 are for the most part traitors, murderous criminals and sociopaths who preferred killing Irish over peace.

A group of Continental Army soldiers did not murder George Washington over the Treaty of Paris.
And if they did that group would be nothing more than the lowest traitors, certainly not worthy of respect.

Remember Michael Collins, true freedom fighter.
Do not respect those who murdered him.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Today, December 29th, 2018, The Republic of Ireland celebrates it's eight first year of existence. The Irish state came into being in 1922 as the Irish Free State, a dominion of the British Commonwealth, having seceded from the United Kingdom under the Anglo-Irish Treaty. However, in 1932, power was peacefully handed over to the anti-treaty Fianna Fail party, and in 1937 (if my facts are right), the Republic of Ireland was founded.

Apologies if someone else has already addressed this (I didn't see anyone mention it in the first couple of pages of the thread), but your facts aren't right.

The Republic of Ireland didn't come into existence until the 1948 Republic of Ireland Act removed the last residual constitutional role of the British monarch. From 1937 through 1948, while the President of Ireland exercised all executive power domestically, the British monarch remained a ceremonial organ of the Irish state in foreign affairs, and all diplomats were accredited to the King. De Valera deliberately kept the status of Ireland ambiguous in this period until the 1948 act, simultaneously occasionally arguing that the country was 'functionally' a republic, but without abolishing the last links to the British Crown or formally making the Irish President the Irish head of state. Other Irish politicians of the period were, it's worth stressing, more upfront about admitting that the country wasn't a republic yet, and George VI's formal title in Ireland remained 'By the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas King, Defender of the Faith' until the Republic of Ireland Act came into force.

The 1948 act was passed on the 21st of December 1948, but didn't come into effect until the 18th of April 1949 (uncoincidentally, Easter Monday, and therefore the anniversary of the Easter Rising); it was also on this date in April that the country officially renamed itself 'the Republic of Ireland'. So this next year will see the 70th anniversary of the Irish Republic (though the independent Irish state is older, of course).


The entire thread is therefore based on a mistaken premise.

Yeah i dont think any of could be bothered to tell him

There's also no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

[Ifreann]

Today, December 29th, 2018, The Republic of Ireland celebrates it's eight first year of existence. The Irish state came into being in 1922 as the Irish Free State, a dominion of the British Commonwealth, having seceded from the United Kingdom under the Anglo-Irish Treaty. However, in 1932, power was peacefully handed over to the anti-treaty Fianna Fail party, and in 1937 (if my facts are right), the Republic of Ireland was founded.

Apologies if someone else has already addressed this (I didn't see anyone mention it in the first couple of pages of the thread), but your facts aren't right.

The Republic of Ireland didn't come into existence until the 1948 Republic of Ireland Act removed the last residual constitutional role of the British monarch. From 1937 through 1948, while the President of Ireland exercised all executive power domestically, the British monarch remained a ceremonial organ of the Irish state in foreign affairs, and all diplomats were accredited to the King. De Valera deliberately kept the status of Ireland ambiguous in this period until the 1948 act, simultaneously occasionally arguing that the country was 'functionally' a republic, but without abolishing the last links to the British Crown or formally making the Irish President the Irish head of state. Other Irish politicians of the period were, it's worth stressing, more upfront about admitting that the country wasn't a republic yet, and George VI's formal title in Ireland remained 'By the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas King, Defender of the Faith' until the Republic of Ireland Act came into force.

The 1948 act was passed on the 21st of December 1948, but didn't come into effect until the 18th of April 1949 (uncoincidentally, Easter Monday, and therefore the anniversary of the Easter Rising); it was also on this date in April that the country officially renamed itself 'the Republic of Ireland'. So this next year will see the 70th anniversary of the Irish Republic (though the independent Irish state is older, of course).


The entire thread is therefore based on a mistaken premise.

There's also no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

The Soul Cake Duck is real, though.

[Internationalist Bastard]

26.

They were both. The IRA committed acts that were the literal definition of terrorism. They also have a legitimate claim to be called Freedom Fighters.

Terrorism is a tactic, not a cause. The morality of the cause is irrelevant to whether or not a specific action constitutes terrorism.
If you intentionally kill civilians for the purpose of advancing a political cause through causing widespread fear that is terrorism, regardless of the cause.

Precisely
Ones cause is irrelevant

[Heloin]

There's also no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

But mommy and daddy said they were real! Why would they ever lie to me?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

There's also no Santa Claus, no Tooth Fairy, and no Easter Bunny.

But mommy and daddy said they were real! Why would they ever lie to me?

Mommy and Daddy told me that babies were delivered by storks..

The truth is far more graphic...

[Lalop]

Congratulations to the great Celts across the pond. One of the greatest people out there. Still await the day when the Scots follow suit and take a rightfully earned independence, as well as the Irishmen get what they deserve, the full island free and unified under a green white and Orange flag.

Well, the problem is Ulster is mostly protestant while Ireland proper is mostly catholic. It's like trying to mix the North German Federation and the Holy Roman Empire (if they existed at the same time that is); it's not gonna work.

Ulster has more catholics now

[The Grene Knyght]

Well, 81 years of independence for 27/32 of Ireland.

(Image)

26.

We took back Fermanagh when the Brits were busy with the Brexit thing. Don't tell anyone.

[The Huskar Social Union]

26.

We took back Fermanagh when the Brits were busy with the Brexit thing. Don't tell anyone.

Oh right fuc- Oh yeah this is fine, hey brits dont worry everything is fine here! Move along, move along!

[The Batorys]

26.

They were both. The IRA committed acts that were the literal definition of terrorism. They also have a legitimate claim to be called Freedom Fighters.

Terrorism is a tactic, not a cause. The morality of the cause is irrelevant to whether or not a specific action constitutes terrorism.
If you intentionally kill civilians for the purpose of advancing a political cause through causing widespread fear that is terrorism, regardless of the cause.

By this definition, the USA committed terrorism in WWII.

[Novus America]

Terrorism is a tactic, not a cause. The morality of the cause is irrelevant to whether or not a specific action constitutes terrorism.
If you intentionally kill civilians for the purpose of advancing a political cause through causing widespread fear that is terrorism, regardless of the cause.

By this definition, the USA committed terrorism in WWII.

Generally terrorism only applies to asymmetric warfare, which under international law is treated differently.

But many have made that claim, whether or not the strategic bombing in WWII should be considered terrorism has been widely debated.
But anyways strategic bombing in WWII is not the topic here, and is very complex topic of its own.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

BUT ONIONS HAVE LAYERS

Since when are the Irish ogres?

[Hrstrovokia]

The IRA was a legitimate group before 1922. After 31 January 1922 the legitimate IRA became the National Army and then later the Defence Forces.

The groups claming to be IRA after 31 January 1922 are for the most part traitors, murderous criminals and sociopaths who preferred killing Irish over peace.

Go home yank.

edit: this is a joke made with irish humour which someone overseas might not get but is not intended to discriminate against.

[Novus America]

The IRA was a legitimate group before 1922. After 31 January 1922 the legitimate IRA became the National Army and then later the Defence Forces.

The groups claming to be IRA after 31 January 1922 are for the most part traitors, murderous criminals and sociopaths who preferred killing Irish over peace.

Go home yank.

edit: this is a joke made with irish humour which someone overseas might not get but is not intended to discriminate against.

No worries, I am not offended at all.

[The Blaatschapen]

Not truly Ireland until yall take back whats rightfully yours

The USA will not give back Boston

[Bears Armed]

DId you already know that the 1919 border was originally meant to be only a temporary one?
The plan was that that border using existing county lines would apply for the first elections in the two separate parts of Ireland, but that then the new governments would discuss changes to better fit the religious division: The South would probably have gained parts of Fermanagh and southern Armagh, for example, but there would also have been some small changes in the North's favour as well.
However, after the South's government had had to resist a rebellion by hardline republicans it apparently decided that giving formal agreement to any border [short of the sea] would be suicidal and called the discussion off...

[The Grene Knyght]

DId you already know that the 1919 border was originally meant to be only a temporary one?
The plan was that that border using existing county lines would apply for the first elections in the two separate parts of Ireland, but that then the new governments would discuss changes to better fit the religious division: The South would probably have gained parts of Fermanagh and southern Armagh, for example, but there would also have been some small changes in the North's favour as well.
However, after the South's government had had to resist a rebellion by hardline republicans it apparently decided that giving formal agreement to any border [short of the sea] would be suicidal and called the discussion off...

If I remember my history correctly, the collapse of the boundary commission was more to do with the fact that some initial results of the boundary commission, which saw some territory being ceded to the north, being leaked, which was the cause of the backlash. My history teacher (who I'm inclined to mistrust) said this was absolutely a result of unionists trying to sabotage the commission. Interestingly, one of the reasons the boundary commission was agreed to in the first place was because it was argued that Northern Ireland would be made so small that it could not survive economically, and would be forced to join the rest of Ireland (it was fully expected that the counties of Fermanagh and Tyrone, along with many other majority-catholic areas, would be given to the Free State), which didn't happen at all, since it's economy was and still is propped up by the British government.

[Ifreann]

There's a sticker on a bin in my town proclaiming our independence day to be 21/1/1919, that being the date of the first session of the first Dáil, in which we adopted our Declaration of Independence.

And if we can't trust stickers on bins, what can we trust?

[The Grene Knyght]

There's a sticker on a bin in my town proclaiming our independence day to be 21/1/1919, that being the date of the first session of the first Dáil, in which we adopted our Declaration of Independence.

And if we can't trust stickers on bins, what can we trust?

Can we trust the stickers on the lampposts all over Dublin warning us about chemtrails?

[Ifreann]

There's a sticker on a bin in my town proclaiming our independence day to be 21/1/1919, that being the date of the first session of the first Dáil, in which we adopted our Declaration of Independence.

And if we can't trust stickers on bins, what can we trust?

Can we trust the stickers on the lampposts all over Dublin warning us about chemtrails?

Absolutely.