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Postby Asardia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:45 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... -white-men

Democrats are worried that they have a problem: The three people leading polls in the very early stages of their presidential race are all white men.

The party traditionally battles over identity politics and wants to be seen as promoting diversity.

Its last three nominees have been Barack Obama, who became the nation’s first African-American president, and Hillary Clinton, the first woman to win the popular vote.

Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) are this year’s top-tier candidates, according to a recent and very early Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom poll.

It showed that 32 percent of those polled in Iowa favored Biden, while 19 percent preferred Sanders and 11 percent liked O'Rourke.

While some Democrats believe the early polls are merely a metric on name recognition, they say it defies the party’s mission to be more diverse and more inclusive that the top three candidates are all white men.

“It’s almost like we’re moving backwards,” said one Democratic strategist. “We elected a black president in 2008 and 2012, we nominated a woman in 2016, so why are we now back with three white men at the top of the polls?”

Democratic strategist Seth Bringman added that it “definitely sends the wrong message about who our party is.”

To be sure, a number of Democratic women and members of minority groups have expressed an interest in running for president.

The list includes Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Cory Booker (N.J.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), to name just some of the potential candidates.

In an interview last week, CNN host Van Jones asked Gillibrand, who has been a vocal supporter of the "Me Too" movement, if she found the latest poll concerning: “In a party as diverse as ours, does it worry you to see the top three being white guys?”

“Yes,” Gillibrand replied.

“I aspire for our country to recognize the beauty of our diversity at some point in the future and I hope someday we have a woman president,” she continued after Jones pushed her on the point.

“I love the fact that Barack Obama was our president for eight years. I hope more people of color not only aspire [but] win the presidency because that’s what makes America so extraordinary, that we are all of that, we are everything, and I think a more inclusive America is a stronger America.”

At the same time, other Democrats say it’s much too early to read anything into the polls.

“Polls at this stage are political Viagra,” said Robert Zimmerman, a top Democratic fundraiser. “The results are artificial, the rise temporary, and if they last more than a few weeks, get a new pollster.”

Democratic strategist Patti Solis Doyle, who served as campaign manager during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, also poured cold water on the early polling.

“I don’t know if such early polls say anything about the party,” Solis Doyle said. “Such early polls don’t tell you much.

Still, she added, “I do think that Democrats won 2018 in large measure due to women voters. Women are leading movements politically, socially and culturally across the country. I just don’t see how a woman is not on the ticket in 2020.”

While the polls reflect name recognition now, Bringman predicts a diverse group of candidates will come to the fore, and will have “diverse support.”

In the southern states, for example, he pointed out that only 15 percent of the primary electorate consists of white men.

“A white male candidate will have challenges because our voters are predominantly women and people of color,” Bringman said. “Women candidates dominated Democratic primaries in 2018. The last two competitive Democratic primaries were won by the candidate who was the overwhelming favorite among black voters."

Bringman said that all three men will have problems going forward.

For Biden, voters will be reminded of the Anita Hill testimony, where the then-senator chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee which handled the confirmation hearings for then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. On the heels of the "Me Too" movement, Biden has been under scrutiny for failing to ease the attacks on Hill.

Sanders struggled in connecting with black voters in the 2016 campaign, something that could come back to haunt him. And Bringman said O’Rourke “seems like the flavor of the month.”

“Once this thing gets going, I don’t expect the party of women, people of color, and young people to want 70-plus-year-old white men leading us,” he said.

A CNN exit poll taken last month showed that 65 percent of those Democrats polled felt it was important to support minorities and women.

Democratic strategist Maria Cardona agreed.

“Nothing means anything at this point in the polls for 2020,” she said.



Personally, I really don't see the issue. When I'm looking at the politicians running, I just think to myself "Who is the lesser of the two evils?" I don't say "Oh no, there's two old white guys." I thought people voted based on who is the best of the choices available. One Democrat even said "It’s almost like we’re moving backwards". Does it really matter that the people like three potential candidates who are white? Two of the candidates are Joe Biden, who was Obama's VP, and Bernie Sanders, who was right behind Clinton in 2016. I am a black high school student, and the fact that the leading 2020 presidential candidates are white doesn't bother me at all.
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Postby Loben » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:47 pm

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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:51 pm

No... not white men! Anything but that! They're so... white... and male!

Yes, we oppose them on the basis of their gender and race. No, we totally aren't toxic at all.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:51 pm

I don't care who the nominee is, so long as they are the best one out there regardless of whether they are male, female, white, or nonwhite.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:53 pm

Why should they be concerned at the "lack of diversity"? Why should anyone care what sex a candidate is or what skin colour they have or what religion they are part of? A person with a decent amount of political and public administration experience is always going to be a good candidate for president.

This diversity for diversity's sake is moronic. If the voters want a white male as their preferred candidate, that is what they want. Manipulating the candidate system to suit your own particular agenda is inherently undemocratic.
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Postby Loben » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:53 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:No... not white men! Anything but that! They're so... white... and male!

Yes, we oppose them on the basis of their gender and race. No, we totally aren't toxic at all.


"could it be us who are the racist? no its the white men who are out of touch"

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:54 pm

What a shocker, the United States of America, a nation whose white population (including Hispanic and Latino people) is almost 77%, would have a majority of their representatives being white.

Only thing that is surprising is the severe lack of women in politics despite being 50% of the human population.

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Postby Asardia » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:56 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:Why should they be concerned at the "lack of diversity"? Why should anyone care what sex a candidate is or what skin colour they have or what religion they are part of? A person with a decent amount of political and public administration experience is always going to be a good candidate for president.

This diversity for diversity's sake is moronic. If the voters want a white male as their preferred candidate, that is what they want. Manipulating the candidate system to suit your own particular agenda is inherently undemocratic.


I know right? A party can't just claim to "be the voice of the people" and then disregard what the people want. As you said, they're just trying to manipulate the voters. I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican, but this is ridiculous.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:57 pm

Loben wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:No... not white men! Anything but that! They're so... white... and male!

Yes, we oppose them on the basis of their gender and race. No, we totally aren't toxic at all.


"could it be us who are the racist? no its the white men who are out of touch"

"All you FUCKING WHITE MALES not opposing other FUCKING WHITE MALES on the basis of their race and gender. Don't you understand that it's the current year and that we're supposed to judge others because of race and gender?!"

"What do you mean that's racist and sexist? You're just a FUCKING WHITE MALE. You wouldn't understand."
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Asardia wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422545-dems-worry-top-three-candidates-in-polls-are-all-white-men

Democrats are worried that they have a problem: The three people leading polls in the very early stages of their presidential race are all white men.

The party traditionally battles over identity politics and wants to be seen as promoting diversity.

Its last three nominees have been Barack Obama, who became the nation’s first African-American president, and Hillary Clinton, the first woman to win the popular vote.

Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) are this year’s top-tier candidates, according to a recent and very early Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom poll.

It showed that 32 percent of those polled in Iowa favored Biden, while 19 percent preferred Sanders and 11 percent liked O'Rourke.

While some Democrats believe the early polls are merely a metric on name recognition, they say it defies the party’s mission to be more diverse and more inclusive that the top three candidates are all white men.

“It’s almost like we’re moving backwards,” said one Democratic strategist. “We elected a black president in 2008 and 2012, we nominated a woman in 2016, so why are we now back with three white men at the top of the polls?”

Democratic strategist Seth Bringman added that it “definitely sends the wrong message about who our party is.”

To be sure, a number of Democratic women and members of minority groups have expressed an interest in running for president.

The list includes Sens. Kamala Harris (Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Cory Booker (N.J.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), to name just some of the potential candidates.

In an interview last week, CNN host Van Jones asked Gillibrand, who has been a vocal supporter of the "Me Too" movement, if she found the latest poll concerning: “In a party as diverse as ours, does it worry you to see the top three being white guys?”

“Yes,” Gillibrand replied.

“I aspire for our country to recognize the beauty of our diversity at some point in the future and I hope someday we have a woman president,” she continued after Jones pushed her on the point.

“I love the fact that Barack Obama was our president for eight years. I hope more people of color not only aspire [but] win the presidency because that’s what makes America so extraordinary, that we are all of that, we are everything, and I think a more inclusive America is a stronger America.”

At the same time, other Democrats say it’s much too early to read anything into the polls.

“Polls at this stage are political Viagra,” said Robert Zimmerman, a top Democratic fundraiser. “The results are artificial, the rise temporary, and if they last more than a few weeks, get a new pollster.”

Democratic strategist Patti Solis Doyle, who served as campaign manager during Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign, also poured cold water on the early polling.

“I don’t know if such early polls say anything about the party,” Solis Doyle said. “Such early polls don’t tell you much.

Still, she added, “I do think that Democrats won 2018 in large measure due to women voters. Women are leading movements politically, socially and culturally across the country. I just don’t see how a woman is not on the ticket in 2020.”

While the polls reflect name recognition now, Bringman predicts a diverse group of candidates will come to the fore, and will have “diverse support.”

In the southern states, for example, he pointed out that only 15 percent of the primary electorate consists of white men.

“A white male candidate will have challenges because our voters are predominantly women and people of color,” Bringman said. “Women candidates dominated Democratic primaries in 2018. The last two competitive Democratic primaries were won by the candidate who was the overwhelming favorite among black voters."

Bringman said that all three men will have problems going forward.

For Biden, voters will be reminded of the Anita Hill testimony, where the then-senator chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee which handled the confirmation hearings for then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. On the heels of the "Me Too" movement, Biden has been under scrutiny for failing to ease the attacks on Hill.

Sanders struggled in connecting with black voters in the 2016 campaign, something that could come back to haunt him. And Bringman said O’Rourke “seems like the flavor of the month.”

“Once this thing gets going, I don’t expect the party of women, people of color, and young people to want 70-plus-year-old white men leading us,” he said.

A CNN exit poll taken last month showed that 65 percent of those Democrats polled felt it was important to support minorities and women.

Democratic strategist Maria Cardona agreed.

“Nothing means anything at this point in the polls for 2020,” she said.



Personally, I really don't see the issue. When I'm looking at the politicians running, I just think to myself "Who is the lesser of the two evils?" I don't say "Oh no, there's two old white guys." I thought people voted based on who is the best of the choices available. One Democrat even said "It’s almost like we’re moving backwards". Does it really matter that the people like three potential candidates who are white? Two of the candidates are Joe Biden, who was Obama's VP, and Bernie Sanders, who was right behind Clinton in 2016. I am a black high school student, and the fact that the leading 2020 presidential candidates are white doesn't bother me at all.


So they're concerned that it's white men leading the polls, not that it's Joe Biden? Wow, looks like a certain party needs to get its shit together for the 2020 election, otherwise "Russia's going to hack" the 2020 election as well.
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Before yall have a Democrats are racist party, these two people quoted in the sources aren't the entire democratic party.
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I’m not surprised Democrats have been overtly racist in what ever manner is fashionable for what a century or more now?
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Prolific Sherpaposting wrote:I’m not surprised Democrats have been overtly racist in what ever manner is fashionable for what a century or more now?

Once again, this is two fucking people. Y'all should chill.
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I don't care if the next democratic nominee is black, white, or pink with purple polka dots. Hell at this point I don't care if the nominee is even human. It could be a dog for all I care. As long as it's better than Trump.

As long as it actually bothers to show up to honor fallen WW1 heroes despite a little rain. As long as it doesn't blow money on a wall that does nothing. As long as it puts money back to the CDC and NASA. As long as it doesn't gag order the EPA and stop NASA from measuring carbon levels. As long as it restarts Net Neutrality to protect the consumer from greedy ISP's and there lap dogs on the FCC.

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Is this thread really needed?
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The South Falls wrote:
Prolific Sherpaposting wrote:I’m not surprised Democrats have been overtly racist in what ever manner is fashionable for what a century or more now?

Once again, this is two fucking people. Y'all should chill.


when its the democrats its two people, when its republicans its ALL the republicans.

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Loben wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Once again, this is two fucking people. Y'all should chill.


when its the democrats its two people, when its republicans its ALL the republicans.

I never said anything like this. When have I said "All Republicans are shit loolllloolq1!!!"?
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The South Falls wrote:
Loben wrote:
when its the democrats its two people, when its republicans its ALL the republicans.

I never said anything like this. When have I said "All Republicans are shit loolllloolq1!!!"?


Its less you and more NSG.

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Loben wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I never said anything like this. When have I said "All Republicans are shit loolllloolq1!!!"?


Its less you and more NSG.


But it's still irrelevant to this thread. No one here argued that all Republicans are bad.

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Loben wrote:
The South Falls wrote:I never said anything like this. When have I said "All Republicans are shit loolllloolq1!!!"?


Its less you and more NSG.

Bruh... NSG has been toxic forever. Remember Soviet mongol? He tried to argue with ME, a black person, over if black people could be racist. I lost it at him.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Loben wrote:
Its less you and more NSG.


But it's still irrelevant to this thread. No one here argued that all Republicans are bad.

wait.

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This people are caricatures of themselves.
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The South Falls wrote:
Loben wrote:
Its less you and more NSG.

Bruh... NSG has been toxic forever. Remember Soviet mongol? He tried to argue with ME, a black person, over if black people could be racist. I lost it at him.


youre black?

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Great Winminster wrote:This people are caricatures of themselves.

Am I going to have to explain to everyone that this was two people?
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