US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[San Lumen]

Why do you see government workers as such a drain you want it completely shut down?

You do know the the DMV are government workers right as is the Coast Guard and the Secret Service? But none of them do important jobs right?

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

The Coast guard and Secret service aren't state employees.

Since when? Do you honestly think everyone in Sacramento just sits at desks laughing manically plotting how to screw over your county?


I am aware but you seem to support this shutdown too and have no problem with government workers being furloughed or not getting paid no matter what their job is. Is the Coast Guard and Park Rangers not important?

Go ask Congresswoman Ilhan Omar how wonderful having no government is. She can tell you all about it as she is from Somalia.

[Cedoria]

Why do you see government workers as such a drain you want it completely shut down?

You do know the the DMV are government workers right as is the Coast Guard and the Secret Service? But none of them do important jobs right?

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

The Coast guard and Secret service aren't state employees.

They are government employees, directly affected by the topic of this thread?

Do you actually have any clue what you're talking about?


As for DMV not doing an important job, next time your aging relative needs an eye test, just tell them to fuck it till they have an accident cause they can't see.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Straw man plagarism... that's a new low...

Somalia is anarchy. Without government, there is anarchy.

They've actually reestablished a federal parliment

[The South Falls]

Somalia is anarchy. Without government, there is anarchy.

They've actually reestablished a federal parliment

Good for them. They're on the road to better government.

[San Lumen]

Somalia is anarchy. Without government, there is anarchy.

They've actually reestablished a federal parliment

for almost 20 years they did not

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

Good luck getting your drivers license renewed then.

[Internationalist Bastard]

They've actually reestablished a federal parliment

for almost 20 years they did not

Believe me I know. I just care about African politics a lot

[Cedoria]

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

The Coast guard and Secret service aren't state employees.

Since when? Do you honestly think everyone in Sacramento just sits at desks laughing manically plotting how to screw over your county?


I am aware but you seem to support this shutdown too and have no problem with government workers being furloughed or not getting paid no matter what their job is. Is the Coast Guard and Park Rangers not important?

Go ask Congresswoman Ilhan Omar how wonderful having no government is. She can tell you all about it as she is from Somalia.

Waste of time. Most people speaking up in support of this silliness have no idea what their government is or the services they use from it. It's a unique conceit of some who rely heavily on government for their continued safety and welfare that they can indeed live without it despite having never done so for a day in their lives.


No government don't look pretty folks, actually, even calling it anarchy is not really accurate, since anarchists oppose existing state structures, not government in general.

[The South Falls]

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

Good luck getting your drivers license renewed then.

The laws are such a drain.

[Cedoria]

They've actually reestablished a federal parliment

Good for them. They're on the road to better government.

Or, y'know, just some government. Whether it's 'better' depends on the quality of said government.

[Telconi]

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

The Coast guard and Secret service aren't state employees.

Since when? Do you honestly think everyone in Sacramento just sits at desks laughing manically plotting how to screw over your county?


I am aware but you seem to support this shutdown too and have no problem with government workers being furloughed or not getting paid no matter what their job is. Is the Coast Guard and Park Rangers not important?

Go ask Congresswoman Ilhan Omar how wonderful having no government is. She can tell you all about it as she is from Somalia.

Have you ever seen Gavin Newsom?

Can't be aware of falsehoods.

I don't believe Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has a single worthwhile thing to say.

[Telconi]

Good for them. They're on the road to better government.

Or, y'know, just some government. Whether it's 'better' depends on the quality of said government.

Well therein lies the point.

[Cedoria]

Since when? Do you honestly think everyone in Sacramento just sits at desks laughing manically plotting how to screw over your county?


I am aware but you seem to support this shutdown too and have no problem with government workers being furloughed or not getting paid no matter what their job is. Is the Coast Guard and Park Rangers not important?

Go ask Congresswoman Ilhan Omar how wonderful having no government is. She can tell you all about it as she is from Somalia.

Have you ever seen Gavin Newsom?

Can't be aware of falsehoods.

I don't believe Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has a single worthwhile thing to say.

Neither have you on this topic, at least not from your output thus far, unlike you, the Congresswomen actually have some upfront experience in your preferred 'solution'.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Good for them. They're on the road to better government.

Or, y'know, just some government. Whether it's 'better' depends on the quality of said government.

Farmajo seems like a decent enough guy so theres that

[San Lumen]

Since when? Do you honestly think everyone in Sacramento just sits at desks laughing manically plotting how to screw over your county?


I am aware but you seem to support this shutdown too and have no problem with government workers being furloughed or not getting paid no matter what their job is. Is the Coast Guard and Park Rangers not important?

Go ask Congresswoman Ilhan Omar how wonderful having no government is. She can tell you all about it as she is from Somalia.

Have you ever seen Gavin Newsom?

Can't be aware of falsehoods.

I don't believe Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has a single worthwhile thing to say.

Yeah I have and he isnt going to Sacramento to plot ways to screw with your county.

Its not falsehoods. You said you want to keep the government closed including your state government

And she has plenty of great things to say you just would refuse to listen to her. She can tell you all about how wonderful anarchy is as she is from Somalia.

[Holy Tedalonia]

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

Good luck getting your drivers license renewed then.

Eh, if your good at managing your life youd deal with renewing right away, so you dont have to worry about the government shutdowns affecting it. 9 days isn't much of a concern yet. 3 week long maybe...

[Cedoria]

Or, y'know, just some government. Whether it's 'better' depends on the quality of said government.

Well therein lies the point.

The solution to bad government is better government, not warlordism.

No, I do believe you missed the point tat actually lay there.

[Cedoria]

Good luck getting your drivers license renewed then.

Eh, if your good at managing your life youd deal with renewing right away, so you dont have to worry about the government shutdowns affecting it. 9 days isn't much of a concern yet. 3 week long maybe...

Of course if you have a permanent shutdown, you can't deal with it at any time, that's the point...

[Cedoria]

Or, y'know, just some government. Whether it's 'better' depends on the quality of said government.

Farmajo seems like a decent enough guy so theres that

I agree. One person does not a government make, sadly.

I'm not an optimist by nature, but I guess that means any surprises I see from Somalia will be pleasant ones.

[Jebslund]

The equilibrium being the lowest common denominator of human nature. That being the descent into chaos where those we regard as scum now would be the ones in charge, as they would want the power and have the strength and ruthlessness to take it. It would be a society of thieves, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers.

Laws aren't just written because some idiot somewhere just feels like it. While there are some laws that are stupid/frivolous, the vast majority are written to prevent the sorts of abuses that would be rampant otherwise. Want to know what anarchy is like? Go visit a schoolyard and keep an eye on the bullies. And then imagine they could do what they do with no reprisal whatsoever.

This is already the case.

Laws are written because people support them, period.

It most certainly is not. Laws have force due to having a group dedicated to enforcing them, not simply because people like being told what to do. The consequences of getting caught, as well as the perceived likelihood of getting caught, acts as a deterrent. That deterrent works even when the would-be victim isn't physically strong or skilled enough to stop the crime him or herself. Without a strong government in place, this deterrent goes away and it's every man for himself. Without people who everyone (or at least the vast majority) agrees have the authority to make and enforce laws, there is no central guiding principle. In olden times, it was the men of the village acting under direction of an elder, or city guards under the authority of a mayor/council, or an army under the authority of the Crown/Church. These were still governments. A government isn't just a bunch of old men in a fancy building. A town elder and the people who support and enforce said elder's will are a government. A group of citizens who the majority agree are in charge of the society are a government. What you're arguing, that there should be no-one in charge, is a situation that will *never* result in order or peace.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Farmajo seems like a decent enough guy so theres that

I agree. One person does not a government make, sadly.

I'm not an optimist by nature, but I guess that means any surprises I see from Somalia will be pleasant ones.

Same, but his previous term as pm was popular and was very technocratic, so we'll play the old wait and see

[Telconi]

Have you ever seen Gavin Newsom?

Can't be aware of falsehoods.

I don't believe Congresswoman Ilhan Omar has a single worthwhile thing to say.

Yeah I have and he isnt going to Sacramento to plot ways to screw with your county.

Its not falsehoods. You said you want to keep the government closed including your state government

And she has plenty of great things to say you just would refuse to listen to her. She can tell you all about how wonderful anarchy is as she is from Somalia.

My county?

And a non-existent government results in unpaid workers how?

She probably has about as many great things to say as Richard Spencer.

[Cedoria]

Yeah I have and he isnt going to Sacramento to plot ways to screw with your county.

Its not falsehoods. You said you want to keep the government closed including your state government

And she has plenty of great things to say you just would refuse to listen to her. She can tell you all about how wonderful anarchy is as she is from Somalia.

My county?

And a non-existent government results in unpaid workers how?

She probably has about as many great things to say as Richard Spencer.

'Probably'.

Shorthand for saying you've never heard a word she's ever said and are just pulling nonsense.

There's no rabbit in that hat son, sorry.

[Shofercia]

The Bush border fence failed because of landowners fighting eminent domain in court driving up the costs for the fence and in some cases winning.

But obviously that won't happen here with a shit-ton of more landowners affected because POTUS said so and is a business genius right?

He could have the armed forces round up all of the land owners, and force them to read the Art of the Deal until they comply; if they refuse to read - audiobook!

(Yes, I'm joking, I'm well aware of the Bill of Rights)

[Telconi]

This is already the case.

Laws are written because people support them, period.

It most certainly is not. Laws have force due to having a group dedicated to enforcing them, not simply because people like being told what to do. The consequences of getting caught, as well as the perceived likelihood of getting caught, acts as a deterrent. That deterrent works even when the would-be victim isn't physically strong or skilled enough to stop the crime him or herself. Without a strong government in place, this deterrent goes away and it's every man for himself. Without people who everyone (or at least the vast majority) agrees have the authority to make and enforce laws, there is no central guiding principle. In olden times, it was the men of the village acting under direction of an elder, or city guards under the authority of a mayor/council, or an army under the authority of the Crown/Church. These were still governments. A government isn't just a bunch of old men in a fancy building. A town elder and the people who support and enforce said elder's will are a government. A group of citizens who the majority agree are in charge of the society are a government. What you're arguing, that there should be no-one in charge, is a situation that will *never* result in order or peace.

Yes I am aware of what constitutes a government, the problem with your 'order and peace' is it is in no way the result of a government. A bad government can be much worse than an anarchy, I'd much rather deal with some skinhead rabble than the Einsatzgruppen.