US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[The South Falls]

The roads need maintenance
"Fuck you, I'm not getting paid!"

The streets need cleaning
"Fuck you, I ain't getting paid!"

The coast needs guarding
"Fuck you, I ain't getting paid!"

The park needs rangering because some stupid people got lost

"Fuck you, I ain't getting paid!"

[Cedoria]

Still waiting for an answer from those who said the wall was practical and haven't yet responded to the numerous pitfalls I outlined which you'd need to overcome... Surely such a practical thing has numerous ways around it that you could have mentioned.

[Telconi]

Yes, I am aware of that, thanks for reminding me.

And none of those people in Sacramento are needed or influence your life in any way? Those people at the agricultural department do absolutely nothing?

You called for a shutdown and clearly seem to support this one so obviously you think government workers are a drain on everyone

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

[Jebslund]

Yeah, because absolutely no one ever is only a decent person because they're forced to be... And we all know the Free Market^TM will make sure everything is good and fair, because there certainly was never a point in time where people were getting cheated, killed, and stolen from left, right, and center due to no one keeping law and order. I mean, anarchy ALWAYS has good results, right?

That strawman is equally ugly.

You are advocating for anarchy [The lack of a government]. Just about every situation of anarchy I have ever heard of lead to either the formation of a dictatorship from the power vacuum or a state where the worst instincts of humanity were the status quo due to the lack of any law and order. With no power structure in place to ensure order, human nature, much like the universe, tends toward entropy and chaos. With no society to guide humans in their interactions, the prevailing mindset becomes, "Fuck you, got mine!", and the majority will take whatever they can from whomever they can.

As to the Free Market argument, most people who argue that the government should be hands-off/dissolved tend to argue that the Free Market will regulate.

[Telconi]

Got some sauce on that?

Look at your above posts. The sauce is already on the hamburgers my chap.

It isn't tho...

[The South Falls]

And none of those people in Sacramento are needed or influence your life in any way? Those people at the agricultural department do absolutely nothing?

You called for a shutdown and clearly seem to support this one so obviously you think government workers are a drain on everyone

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

I hope you like them dirty streets, depending on where you live. And those broken roads.

[Telconi]

That strawman is equally ugly.

You are advocating for anarchy [The lack of a government]. Just about every situation of anarchy I have ever heard of lead to either the formation of a dictatorship from the power vacuum or a state where the worst instincts of humanity were the status quo due to the lack of any law and order. With no power structure in place to ensure order, human nature, much like the universe, tends toward entropy and chaos. With no society to guide humans in their interactions, the prevailing mindset becomes, "Fuck you, got mine!", and the majority will take whatever they can from whomever they can.

As to the Free Market argument, most people who argue that the government should be hands-off/dissolved tend to argue that the Free Market will regulate.

Indeed.

I mean, it'll reach some sort of equilibrium without government control...

[Telconi]

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

I hope you like them dirty streets, depending on where you live. And those broken roads.

I don't really, no.

[San Lumen]

And none of those people in Sacramento are needed or influence your life in any way? Those people at the agricultural department do absolutely nothing?

You called for a shutdown and clearly seem to support this one so obviously you think government workers are a drain on everyone

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

Someone got lost in a national park. "The heck with you, your on your own. Its your fault you got lost."

Ships might be brining in illegal things or someone might be trying to attack boats in New York Harbor. "Who needs the Coast Guard?

Roads need paving. "ill do myself." And so on so forth.

Somalia is a great example as your are advocating for anarchy plain and simple. You can deny it all you want.

[The South Falls]

I hope you like them dirty streets, depending on where you live. And those broken roads.

I don't really, no.

Then you must at least like those who are there to solve thatproblem. .

[Telconi]

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

Someone got lost in a national park. "The heck with you, your on your own. Its your fault you got lost."

Ships might be brining in illegal things or someone might be trying to attack boats in New York Harbor. "Who needs the Coast Guard?

Roads need paving. "ill do myself." And so on so forth.

Somalia is a great example as your are advocating for anarchy plain and simple. You can deny it all you want.

I haven't denied it though, and have no desire to do so.

[Telconi]

I don't really, no.

Then you must at least like those who are there to solve thatproblem. .

Sure.

[Cedoria]

And none of those people in Sacramento are needed or influence your life in any way? Those people at the agricultural department do absolutely nothing?

You called for a shutdown and clearly seem to support this one so obviously you think government workers are a drain on everyone

They do, hence the problem. Clearly they do things.

They're a drain on me.

Burn your house down. Then go tell me the fire department is a drain on you.

When you get mugged, go tell the cops you think they're a drain on you instead of using the service for which you pay them to try and get your wallet back.

Go tell air traffic control you're fine with planes crashing because they're a waste.

Go tell your local refuse collectors that you're fine with drowning in your own filth and trash because they're a complete drain on you.

Go tell the country's largest employer, the DOD that you're happy with the 30-odd percent unemployment that would be caused if you just got rid of them... See where this sort of silliness goes?

Maybe you Americans have this uniquely peculiar conceit that your government does nothing for you, but its never been true. It's your own unique national myth, but let's not pretend it's got any relevance to the reality of present situations.

Most Americans have no idea what their government spends money on, or what services they use from it, or how most of the costs get acquired, etc.

[San Lumen]

Someone got lost in a national park. "The heck with you, your on your own. Its your fault you got lost."

Ships might be brining in illegal things or someone might be trying to attack boats in New York Harbor. "Who needs the Coast Guard?

Roads need paving. "ill do myself." And so on so forth.

Somalia is a great example as your are advocating for anarchy plain and simple. You can deny it all you want.

I haven't denied it though, and have no desire to do so.

You therefore admit you want the entire government shut down and want anarchy?

[Jebslund]

You are advocating for anarchy [The lack of a government]. Just about every situation of anarchy I have ever heard of lead to either the formation of a dictatorship from the power vacuum or a state where the worst instincts of humanity were the status quo due to the lack of any law and order. With no power structure in place to ensure order, human nature, much like the universe, tends toward entropy and chaos. With no society to guide humans in their interactions, the prevailing mindset becomes, "Fuck you, got mine!", and the majority will take whatever they can from whomever they can.

As to the Free Market argument, most people who argue that the government should be hands-off/dissolved tend to argue that the Free Market will regulate.

Indeed.

I mean, it'll reach some sort of equilibrium without government control...

The equilibrium being the lowest common denominator of human nature. That being the descent into chaos where those we regard as scum now would be the ones in charge, as they would want the power and have the strength and ruthlessness to take it. It would be a society of thieves, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers.

Laws aren't just written because some idiot somewhere just feels like it. While there are some laws that are stupid/frivolous, the vast majority are written to prevent the sorts of abuses that would be rampant otherwise. Want to know what anarchy is like? Go visit a schoolyard and keep an eye on the bullies. And then imagine they could do what they do with no reprisal whatsoever.

[Cedoria]

Someone got lost in a national park. "The heck with you, your on your own. Its your fault you got lost."

Ships might be brining in illegal things or someone might be trying to attack boats in New York Harbor. "Who needs the Coast Guard?

Roads need paving. "ill do myself." And so on so forth.

Somalia is a great example as your are advocating for anarchy plain and simple. You can deny it all you want.

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I haven't denied it though, and have no desire to do so.

Great, so you don't deny the position you were advocating is insane, stupid and unworkable. Glad we cleared that up.

We're done here.

[Internationalist Bastard]

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I haven't denied it though, and have no desire to do so.

Great, so you don't deny the position you were advocating is insane, stupid and unworkable. Glad we cleared that up.

We're done here.

Clearly Somalia is a great country, it did so well they made a new one called Somaliland

[Telconi]

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I haven't denied it though, and have no desire to do so.

Great, so you don't deny the position you were advocating is insane, stupid and unworkable. Glad we cleared that up.

We're done here.

buh-bye now...

[San Lumen]

Great, so you don't deny the position you were advocating is insane, stupid and unworkable. Glad we cleared that up.

We're done here.

buh-bye now...

Why do you see government workers as such a drain you want it completely shut down?

You do know the the DMV are government workers right as is the Coast Guard and the Secret Service? But none of them do important jobs right?

[Telconi]

Indeed.

I mean, it'll reach some sort of equilibrium without government control...

The equilibrium being the lowest common denominator of human nature. That being the descent into chaos where those we regard as scum now would be the ones in charge, as they would want the power and have the strength and ruthlessness to take it. It would be a society of thieves, rapists, fraudsters, and murderers.

Laws aren't just written because some idiot somewhere just feels like it. While there are some laws that are stupid/frivolous, the vast majority are written to prevent the sorts of abuses that would be rampant otherwise. Want to know what anarchy is like? Go visit a schoolyard and keep an eye on the bullies. And then imagine they could do what they do with no reprisal whatsoever.

This is already the case.

Laws are written because people support them, period.

[Telconi]

buh-bye now...

Why do you see government workers as such a drain you want it completely shut down?

You do know the the DMV are government workers right as is the Coast Guard and the Secret Service? But none of them do important jobs right?

The DMV doesn't do an important job tho.

The Coast guard and Secret service aren't state employees.

[Telconi]

Great, so you don't deny the position you were advocating is insane, stupid and unworkable. Glad we cleared that up.

We're done here.

Clearly Somalia is a great country, it did so well they made a new one called Somaliland

Straw man plagarism... that's a new low...

[The South Falls]

Fam. You use the fire department. Other wise some small fire would have inexorably spread to your house.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Clearly Somalia is a great country, it did so well they made a new one called Somaliland

Straw man plagarism... that's a new low...

If you think I'm actually trying to make an argument you're sorely mistaken
I just want Somaliworld

[The South Falls]

Clearly Somalia is a great country, it did so well they made a new one called Somaliland

Straw man plagarism... that's a new low...

Somalia is anarchy. Without government, there is anarchy.