US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

Hold up, did trump not take the blame for the shutdown?

Said he’d be proud to own the shutdown, immediately blamed dems when it started anyway, doesn’t care about the blatant hypocrisy.

[Vassenor]

So let me get this straight. The government can't afford a standard pay rise for federal workers, but can afford a five billion dollar boondoggle?

[Zex]

Well you can hire them, you just can't pay then until their is a budget.
Again, no issues.

No you can’t. The hiring team has been furloughed they legally can’t come back to work until there’s a budget. Also who would want to work for possibly months without pay? Also also ATC guys have to go through an FAA training program before they are allowed to work which takes about a year. So have fun driving

We disagree as to the impact it will have. That being said said, I suspect this shutdown will last long passed Jan. 1st so we will effectively have our answer.

[Zex]

Hold up, did trump not take the blame for the shutdown?

Said he’d be proud to own the shutdown, immediately blamed dems when it started anyway, doesn’t care about the blatant hypocrisy.

Being proud about doing something while spreading the fact that others are doing it to is not a mutually exclusive positions to hold.

[San Lumen]

No you can’t. The hiring team has been furloughed they legally can’t come back to work until there’s a budget. Also who would want to work for possibly months without pay? Also also ATC guys have to go through an FAA training program before they are allowed to work which takes about a year. So have fun driving

We disagree as to the impact it will have. That being said said, I suspect this shutdown will last long passed Jan. 1st so we will effectively have our answer.

And several hundred thousand government workers will be unable to pay bills or pay rent to buy food for their children but none of that matters right?

So easy to say find temp work when your not in their situation

[The Alma Mater]

Said he’d be proud to own the shutdown, immediately blamed dems when it started anyway, doesn’t care about the blatant hypocrisy.

Being proud about doing something while spreading the fact that others are doing it to is not a mutually exclusive positions to hold.

Is claiming that party A will pay for it and then getting upset that party B does not see the need to reserve money for it ?

[Zex]

We disagree as to the impact it will have. That being said said, I suspect this shutdown will last long passed Jan. 1st so we will effectively have our answer.

And several hundred thousand government workers will be unable to pay bills or pay rent to buy food for their children but none of that matters right? So easy to say find temp work when your not in their situation

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare. Cutting taxes requires you to cut benefits somewhere else, effectively ensuring people will be left in the wind with little to nothing. Furthermore, removing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency necessitates that a significant amount of people will be fired.

I have simply written these people off, as many of them would not survive reform I (and many of you) seek.

[Zex]

Being proud about doing something while spreading the fact that others are doing it to is not a mutually exclusive positions to hold.

Is claiming that party A will pay for it and then getting upset that party B does not see the need to reserve money for it ?

perhaps, perhaps not...

If I recall party B openly stated that party A would not pay it, up until payment was required and party B began to change its tune.

...as I'm not sure how someone should feel about this

[San Lumen]

And several hundred thousand government workers will be unable to pay bills or pay rent to buy food for their children but none of that matters right? So easy to say find temp work when your not in their situation

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare. Cutting taxes requires you to cut benefits somewhere else, effectively ensuring people will be left in the wind with little to nothing. Furthermore, removing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency necessitates that a significant amount of people will be fired.

I have simply written these people off, as many of them would not survive reform I (and many of you) seek.

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And several hundred thousand government workers will be unable to pay bills or pay rent to buy food for their children but none of that matters right? So easy to say find temp work when your not in their situation

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare. Cutting taxes requires you to cut benefits somewhere else, effectively ensuring people will be left in the wind with little to nothing. Furthermore, removing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency necessitates that a significant amount of people will be fired.

I have simply written these people off, as many of them would not survive reform I (and many of you) seek.

So according to your logic being a solder is like being on welfare.

Anyone on welfare means that there life is over.

What.

[Autumn Wind]

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

[Jebslund]

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

YEAH! Who needs fires being put out or a well-defended country, amirite?

And don't even get me started on those welfare kings and queens doing such useless crap as fixing potholes, maintaining law and order, teaching our kids, and maintaining the libraries that have free computers that homeless people can use for job searching in this age where everyone and his sister only wants to hire through job sites and online applications.

[San Lumen]

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

[Infected Mushroom]

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

But the police are a sworn brotherhood of justice, law and order, and righteousness

I don’t mind supporting them

[San Lumen]

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

But the police are a sworn brotherhood of justice, law and order, and righteousness

I don’t mind supporting them

That was sarcasm

[Zex]

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.

Due to a mixup at my work, I was not payed until my next paycheck. I was paid bi-weekly, that's 4 full weeks without payment. It didn't even phase me, because I possess the ability to sort my finances. If someone is living paycheck-to-paycheck, they deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions (or lack thereof).

So according to your logic being a solder is like being on welfare.
Anyone on welfare means that there life is over.
What.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

This is not a new debate, Romans openly discussed this when Rome transitioned from citizen soldiers to professional soldiers. Who exactly do you think is being targeted with the free college, job experience, and loan security provided by the military; the rich? During the last war recruiters openly accepted gangbanger and even scouted people directly out of prison. Hmm... Money from the government, funnelled directly to the poor, not welfare. Very interesting, please continue.

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

But the police are a sworn brotherhood of justice, law and order, and righteousness

I don’t mind supporting them

Police are the absolute filth beneath my feet, as by law and Supreme Court ruling it is not the responsibility of the police to protect you- me- or anyone. They can quite literally guide the penis of the rapist into you so-long-as they arrest the man afterwards. They are not just welfare sponges which suck up taxes, they are also given the force and authority to rob people when it's not enough. If a policeman ever helps you, or dies for you, you better thank them... Because it's not their job to do so.

[Chan Island]

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

I have openly stated that compassion is weakness; along with being of the personal ideology that I must spread fear, hatred, and anger wherever I go.

Due to a mixup at my work, I was not payed until my next paycheck. I was paid bi-weekly, that's 4 full weeks without payment. It didn't even phase me, because I possess the ability to sort my finances. If someone is living paycheck-to-paycheck, they deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions (or lack thereof).

So according to your logic being a solder is like being on welfare.
Anyone on welfare means that there life is over.
What.

I always get pissed off when I pass by a fire station. I mean, can’t those lazy bums get a real job and stop leeching off my pay check? Same with those uniformed turds on all those military bases - they make us pay for their college tuition for Christ’s sake!

This is not a new debate, Romans openly discussed this when Rome transitioned from citizen soldiers to professional soldiers. Who exactly do you think is being targeted with the free college, job experience, and loan security provided by the military; the rich? During the last war recruiters openly accepted gangbanger and even scouted people directly out of prison. Hmm... Money from the government, funnelled directly to the poor, not welfare. Very interesting, please continue.

Cops the same thing. They get a free car and other benefits. How dare my tax money go to their equipment!

But the police are a sworn brotherhood of justice, law and order, and righteousness

I don’t mind supporting them

Police are the absolute filth beneath my feet, as by law and Supreme Court ruling it is not the responsibility of the police to protect you- me- or anyone. They can quite literally guide the penis of the rapist into you so-long-as they arrest the man afterwards. They are not just welfare sponges which suck up taxes, they are also given the force and authority to rob people when it's not enough. If a policeman ever helps you, or dies for you, you better thank them... Because it's not their job to do so.

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[Great Minarchistan]

can we get it to day 30 pls

[Western Vale Confederacy]

can we get it to day 30 pls

This is so sad can we get 5 coup attempts?

[Telconi]

can we get it to day 30 pls

I wish my state government would shut down...

[Big Jim P]

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare. Cutting taxes requires you to cut benefits somewhere else, effectively ensuring people will be left in the wind with little to nothing. Furthermore, removing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency necessitates that a significant amount of people will be fired.

I have simply written these people off, as many of them would not survive reform I (and many of you) seek.

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

It is when a large number of federal employees are nonessential.

[Great Minarchistan]

I've always considered government employment, to some degree, similar to welfare. Cutting taxes requires you to cut benefits somewhere else, effectively ensuring people will be left in the wind with little to nothing. Furthermore, removing bureaucracy and increasing efficiency necessitates that a significant amount of people will be fired.

I have simply written these people off, as many of them would not survive reform I (and many of you) seek.

Working for the government is welfare? How heartless are you?

The coast guard and the secret service do important jobs and neither are getting paid right now

IIRC one public employee costs in average 120k to the taxpayer, so yeahhh it is

[Cedoria]

The Great Wall of China didn’t. It failed pretty spectacularly. The only ones that did work where like the Berlin Wall and the Inner German Border Wall. And I don’t think you want to have a wall like that on the southern border

There would be the difference between the German walls trying to keep people in, while our border wall will be trying to keep people out.

The German Wall also wasn't just a wall, it was an insane security apparatus that was patrolled at every inch, literally 24 hours a day, year round, with extensive security and tech surveillance all around it, and it was much shorter then the needed US wall. It also bankrupted the East German state, in case you forget.

Basically, the wall didn't work, the security apparatus did, and if you could actually make such an apparatus, you negate the need for a wall in the first place. The wall didn't 'work' because of it being a physical structure, and it was also a catastrophic failure in financial terms and broader political consequences.

Nobody bothers with the wall in US terms because over 90% of your illegals come on planes and overstay visas. A wall will do fuck all at massive cost to try and catch less then 10% of the targeted population, it's an insane
expensive and useless boondoggle even if it would actually work without a shit-ton more work out into security apparatus and surveillance then the POTUS seems to think. Which it won't.


Also, what about the places where the border is a river? You can't build on the Mexican side, they won't let you, you can't build on the river itself, or just leave that spot blank, because it would defeat the wall's entire purpose, and you can't build it on the American side without ceding US territory and cutting off use of the river for Americans who need it, including thousands of farmers who rely on it for irrigation.

Explain to me how you have this insane idea of the wall being practical?

[Valrifell]

can we get it to day 30 pls

This is so sad can we get 5 coup attempts?

Advocating for political violence is bad.

Bloodless coups are a myth the Brits have been stoking for generations.

[Cedoria]

You disagree with liberty and freedom?

American liberals are hardly champions of liberty and freedom.

Yes we get it, you hate ebul liberals. Have an actual point in favour of this stupid wall or not?