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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:50 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
American liberals are hardly champions of liberty and freedom.

Dude, part of your argument has been legit argument and the other part is just "fucken liberals".


Dude, when Obama supported border security, I agreed then. When Reagan gave us the first bullshit amnesty, I was against him.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:50 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Only those trying to enter illegally. I recall saying the same thing not to long ago.

Pretty sure death isn’t the penalty for illegally cross the border.

"Human rights abuses, with my Human rights, abuses!"
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:50 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Why shoot when you can use a taser?

Because they're coked up Muslims, apparently.


Is a taser considered halal or haram? :P
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:51 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Because they're coked up Muslims, apparently.


Is a taser considered halal or haram? :P

Probs haram because the dudes using it have eaten pork.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:51 pm

Zex wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:ATC isn’t TSA dude. Without ATC (Air Traffic Control) you cannot fly anything higher than 400ft. ATC are all federal employees so if you think people don’t need the feds you’re wrong. Enjoy driving

So from what I've researched, under the new H.R.302 - FAA Reauthorization Act, ATC personnel along with TSA will be required to work without pay unless they quit.
That being said, I am currently unable find the actual section which asserts this as being the case.

Yes they and many others have to work without pay. But after awhile I don’t think you want to go a month or more without pay. And you wouldn’t be able to hire 15k ATC guys while the government is shutdown.
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The Caleshan Valkyrie
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:51 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Because they're coked up Muslims, apparently.


Is a taser considered halal or haram? :P


Harmful
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:52 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Is a taser considered halal or haram? :P

Probs haram because the dudes using it have eaten pork.


Government Pork Barrel Spending :P
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:53 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Probs haram because the dudes using it have eaten pork.


Government Pork Barrel Spending :P

Man, you're on fire tonight!
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The Caleshan Valkyrie
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:54 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Government Pork Barrel Spending :P

Man, you're on fire tonight!


Kinda need that, to make bacon.
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Zex
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Founded: Aug 02, 2018
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Postby Zex » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:55 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Zex wrote:So from what I've researched, under the new H.R.302 - FAA Reauthorization Act, ATC personnel along with TSA will be required to work without pay unless they quit.
That being said, I am currently unable find the actual section which asserts this as being the case.

Yes they and many others have to work without pay. But after awhile I don’t think you want to go a month or more without pay. And you wouldn’t be able to hire 15k ATC guys while the government is shutdown.

Well you can hire them, you just can't pay then until their is a budget.
Again, no issues.

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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:55 pm

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Is a taser considered halal or haram? :P


Harmful


NSG knows, since we're not CNN's Rick Sanchez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P3U3XKVvkM
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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Zex wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes they and many others have to work without pay. But after awhile I don’t think you want to go a month or more without pay. And you wouldn’t be able to hire 15k ATC guys while the government is shutdown.

Well you can hire them, you just can't pay then until their is a budget.
Again, no issues.

Only if you see having to work for weeks/months without pay as not a problem.
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:59 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Only those trying to enter illegally. I recall saying the same thing not to long ago.

Pretty sure death isn’t the penalty for illegally cross the border.


Pretty sure law enforcement is allowed to use force to prevent a crime.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:01 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Government Pork Barrel Spending :P

Man, you're on fire tonight!


Just playfully teasing about how seriously people are taking this thread, as if their side fails, it'll be the end of the World.
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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Pretty sure death isn’t the penalty for illegally cross the border.


Pretty sure law enforcement is allowed to use force to prevent a crime.

Immigrants, moving across border

Gets shot

"THEY WERE POSING A THREAT TO ME I SWEAR"
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Big Jim P
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:02 pm

The South Falls wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Pretty sure death isn’t the penalty for illegally cross the border.

"Human rights abuses, with my Human rights, abuses!"


Entering a country illegally is not a human right. Defending ones self, ones home and ones nation is.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:03 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Pretty sure law enforcement is allowed to use force to prevent a crime.

Immigrants, moving across border

Gets shot

"THEY WERE POSING A THREAT TO ME I SWEAR"


They are a threat - their takeover of Tijuana is severely affecting many collegiate entrepreneurs specializing in taking college freshmen, I mean first years, over the border, so that they can get a drink, party hard, and get their dance moves on. For some college fresh- first years, it's absolutely devastating.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:04 pm

Zex wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes they and many others have to work without pay. But after awhile I don’t think you want to go a month or more without pay. And you wouldn’t be able to hire 15k ATC guys while the government is shutdown.

Well you can hire them, you just can't pay then until their is a budget.
Again, no issues.

No you can’t. The hiring team has been furloughed they legally can’t come back to work until there’s a budget. Also who would want to work for possibly months without pay? Also also ATC guys have to go through an FAA training program before they are allowed to work which takes about a year. So have fun driving
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Cameroi
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Postby Cameroi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:04 pm

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i don't think there's anything non-obvious about it.
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The Caleshan Valkyrie
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Postby The Caleshan Valkyrie » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:04 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The South Falls wrote:"Human rights abuses, with my Human rights, abuses!"


Entering a country illegally is not a human right. Defending ones self, ones home and ones nation is.


Oneself, yes. One's home, yes. That last one... little bit more justification needed.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:07 pm

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Entering a country illegally is not a human right. Defending ones self, ones home and ones nation is.


Oneself, yes. One's home, yes. That last one... little bit more justification needed.


I presume you mean one's self, rather than oneself, because I doubt that entering oneself is a crime.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:08 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Oneself, yes. One's home, yes. That last one... little bit more justification needed.


I presume you mean one's self, rather than oneself, because I doubt that entering oneself is a crime.

No but it does make for interesting porn
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:13 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
I presume you mean one's self, rather than oneself, because I doubt that entering oneself is a crime.

No but it does make for interesting porn


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The Onigiri Enclave
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Postby The Onigiri Enclave » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:14 pm

Shofercia wrote:Congress has commissioned a study on quails having sex while high on cocaine, and another on the effect of leaf blowers on lizards.


Wait, wait, wait, WAIT... They have a study on quails doing it while high on cocaine? Why the hell are we discussing an asinine government shutdown that comes down to a wall that will, like many famous walls in history, most likely not work? We should be talking about junkie birds doing the nasty, and where they found them. THIS is truly the important matter of the day that will shape our future to come. :ugeek:
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The Greater Ohio Valley
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:16 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Pretty sure death isn’t the penalty for illegally cross the border.


Pretty sure law enforcement is allowed to use force to prevent a crime.

Deadly force is not proportional to the crime of illegally crossing the border unless 1)the perpetrator is armed and belligerent and 2)they’re a literal invading army.
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- Free speech
- Weapons rights
- Democracy
- LGBTQ+ rights
- Racial equality
- Gender/sexual equality
- Voting rights
- Universal healthcare
- Workers rights
- Drug decriminalization
- Cannabis legalization
- Due process
- Rehabilitative justice
- Religious freedom
- Choice
- Environmental protections
- Secularism
ANTI
- Fascism/Nazism
- Conservatism
- Nationalism
- Authoritarianism/Totalitarianism
- Traditionalism
- Ethnic/racial supremacy
- Racism
- Sexism
- Transphobia
- Homophobia
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