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Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:55 pm**

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I, too, support returning victims of Castro's regime to Cuba.

So all these Guatemalans are escaping an oppressive dictatorship?

How many Cubans are smuggling drugs?

lol, these Guatemalans or Hondurans are not escaping an oppressive dictatorship, those who do not know Cuba and Venezuela personally don't know what a real oppressive dictatorship is, for obvious reasons, lol.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:58 pm**

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:
So all these Guatemalans are escaping an oppressive dictatorship?

How many Cubans are smuggling drugs?

lol, these Guatemalans or Hondurans are not escaping an oppressive dictatorship, those who do not know Cuba and Venezuela personally don't know what a real oppressive dictatorship is, for obvious reasons, lol.

Sure, id you ignore the fact several of these places were under dictatorship within the past generation or two.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:02 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:lol, these Guatemalans or Hondurans are not escaping an oppressive dictatorship, those who do not know Cuba and Venezuela personally don't know what a real oppressive dictatorship is, for obvious reasons, lol.

Sure, id you ignore the fact several of these places were under dictatorship within the past generation or two.

And literally all the other problems that may cause one to move.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:18 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:lol, these Guatemalans or Hondurans are not escaping an oppressive dictatorship, those who do not know Cuba and Venezuela personally don't know what a real oppressive dictatorship is, for obvious reasons, lol.

Sure, id you ignore the fact several of these places were under dictatorship within the past generation or two.

lol, but not today, today is what counts, lol. Asylum should only be granted if it is the actual government doing the abuse, if an independent third party organization is doing the abuse to cover up for the government and it can be proven so, than that would be the exception, Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration which the Democrats in congress shamefully support to call it legal immigration.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:22 pm**

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Sure, id you ignore the fact several of these places were under dictatorship within the past generation or two.

lol, but not today, today is what counts, lol. Asylum should only be granted if it is the actual government doing the abuse, if an independent third party organization is doing the abuse to cover up for the government and it can be proven so, than that would be the exception, Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration which the Democrats in congress shamefully support to call it legal immigration.

You know, there's a certain point where the "third party" goes from being a nuisance to being the ones effectively calling the shots even without government backing. Literally, in many cases. I think that point is when chainsaws, rather than beatings, become the punishment for pissing off a member of one of these "third parties".

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:31 pm**

Jebslund wrote:
Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:lol, but not today, today is what counts, lol. Asylum should only be granted if it is the actual government doing the abuse, if an independent third party organization is doing the abuse to cover up for the government and it can be proven so, than that would be the exception, Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration which the Democrats in congress shamefully support to call it legal immigration.

You know, there's a certain point where the "third party" goes from being a nuisance to being the ones effectively calling the shots even without government backing. Literally, in many cases. I think that point is when chainsaws, rather than beatings, become the punishment for pissing off a member of one of these "third parties".

lol, those are just excuses for easy asylum laws under all circumstances, security from crimes and gang violence are the responsibility of all governments, we are not responsible for security from crimes and gang violence in other nations, like other nations are not responsible for security from crimes and gang violence in the USA. I used to live in a bad neighborhood in Chicago and nothing bad happened to me, but I did not immigrate legally or illegally to Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala or Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan or other nations.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 pm**

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:lol, those are just excuses for easy asylum laws under all circumstances, security from crimes and gang violence are the responsibility of all governments, we are not responsible for security from crimes and gang violence in other nations, like other nations are not responsible for security from crimes and gang violence in the USA. I used to live in a bad neighborhood in Chicago and nothing bad happened to me, but I did not immigrate legally or illegally to Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala or Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan or other nations.

Chicago is a preschool playground compared to Central American gang territory. We're not talking about a bunch of street toughs who beat people they don't like here. We're talking people who will punish people they don't like it ways that would get me warned for describing them here. We're talking hardened criminals who will gladly shoot first and ask questions later if they see someone in the wrong place. We're talking gangs the governments are straight-up *scared* to cross if said governments aren't simply corrupt enough not to care.

As for assylum, well, who is doing it is immaterial. Remaining home is dangerous enough for them to leave their home and everything they know. These are people from cultures where that isn't something one does on a lark. But then, I suppose it's easy to talk tough when your only exposure to gang violence is some hood rats who think wearing gang colors and carrying a firearm make them tough.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:31 pm**

Impeachment is the only response, the president is seizing powers delegated to congress by the constitution with only justification being that he is dissatisfied with the way they are using those powers. This will have permanent consequences, we can come down hard on this or accept that from now on the president can assume congressional powers whenever it pleases him.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:05 pm**

Coulter: Only national emergency is that our president is an idiot

Ann Coulter fired back at President Trump on Friday, stating that "the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot" in a radio interview on Friday afternoon.

Coulter was responding to Trump's comment earlier on Friday calling out the conservative firebrand as being "off the reservation." He made the remark during a press conference at the White House after he declared a national emergency on the southern border.

“Thank God he’s relieved me of any responsibility for what he’s been doing,” Coulter told KABC's Morning Drive on Friday. “That was the biggest favor anyone could do [for] me today.”

"It was one thing, the promise he made every single day at every single speech. Forget the fact that he's digging his own grave," Coulter added. "The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot."

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:06 pm**

Galloism wrote:Coulter: Only national emergency is that our president is an idiot

Ann Coulter fired back at President Trump on Friday, stating that "the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot" in a radio interview on Friday afternoon.

Coulter was responding to Trump's comment earlier on Friday calling out the conservative firebrand as being "off the reservation." He made the remark during a press conference at the White House after he declared a national emergency on the southern border.

“Thank God he’s relieved me of any responsibility for what he’s been doing,” Coulter told KABC's Morning Drive on Friday. “That was the biggest favor anyone could do [for] me today.”

"It was one thing, the promise he made every single day at every single speech. Forget the fact that he's digging his own grave," Coulter added. "The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot."

Great, Trump has made me agree with Ann Coulter.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:07 pm**

Farnhamia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Coulter: Only national emergency is that our president is an idiot

Great, Trump has made me agree with Ann Coulter.

I recommend an extremely hot shower.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:10 pm**

Galloism wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Great, Trump has made me agree with Ann Coulter.

I recommend an extremely hot shower.

And some of the lye soap that nice Mrs. Moses - you know, Jed Clampett's mother-in-law - makes out by the concrete pond.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:29 pm**

Farnhamia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I recommend an extremely hot shower.

And some of the lye soap that nice Mrs. Moses - you know, Jed Clampett's mother-in-law - makes out by the concrete pond.

Cee-ment pond.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:30 pm**

Maineiacs wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And some of the lye soap that nice Mrs. Moses - you know, Jed Clampett's mother-in-law - makes out by the concrete pond.

Cee-ment pond.

Damn. Yes.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:04 pm**

Vassenor wrote:
Page wrote:Trump declaring an emergency for his wall is the political equivalent of calling 911 cause McDonald's wouldn't take your expired coupon.

So basically the Trump Administration has reached peak entitled white person levels?

Racism rocks

Page wrote:Trump declaring an emergency for his wall is the political equivalent of calling 911 cause McDonald's wouldn't take your expired coupon.

Well, presidents declare national emergencies to do things like stop people from importing diamonds from Sierra Leone or put sanctions on people in the Central African Republic, so whether or not it's befitting of the title of "National Emergency", just about every president since the act was passed has used national emergencies to get rather definitively non-emergency tasks done, even when not getting them done would pose 0 threat to Americans. It's a bit of an Obama's umbrella situation where the selective outrage seems to ignore the last 30 years when presidents were doing similar things and nobody cared.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:54 pm**

Page wrote:Trump declaring an emergency for his wall is the political equivalent of calling 911 cause McDonald's wouldn't take your expired coupon.

Lol.

Let's see how many legal challenges it gets.

Posted: **Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:55 pm**

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So basically the Trump Administration has reached peak entitled white person levels?

Unnecessary, Vass, highly unnecessary.

Inappropriate and condescending as well.

But is he wrong?

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:00 am**

So thanks to Trump guns will become illegal next time a democrat becomes president. FOX says so, so it must be true.

Thanks for protecting our children Donald

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:02 am**

The Grims wrote:So thanks to Trump guns will become illegal next time a democrat becomes president. FOX says so, so it must be true.

Thanks for protecting our children Donald

What?

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:19 am**

Mystic Warriors wrote:
The Grims wrote:So thanks to Trump guns will become illegal next time a democrat becomes president. FOX says so, so it must be true.

Thanks for protecting our children Donald

What?

If Trump can declare a national emergency over this, other presidents can do the same over issues like gun ownership, climate change et cetera. Even FOXnews acknowledges this and states they hope Trump will be stopped by the courts.

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:20 am**

The Grims wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

What?

If Trump can declare a national emergency over this, other presidents can do the same over issues like gun ownership, climate change et cetera. Even FOXnews acknowledges this and states they hope Trump will be stopped by the courts.

Not really. All Trump is doing is shifting around money in the executive branch. There's not a lot you could do on those topics with a national emergency.

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:44 am**

The Grims wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

What?

If Trump can declare a national emergency over this, other presidents can do the same over issues like gun ownership, climate change et cetera. Even FOXnews acknowledges this and states they hope Trump will be stopped by the courts.

Where did fox say this? And since when can you violate the constitution that easily?

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:57 am**

Mystic Warriors wrote:
The Grims wrote:
If Trump can declare a national emergency over this, other presidents can do the same over issues like gun ownership, climate change et cetera. Even FOXnews acknowledges this and states they hope Trump will be stopped by the courts.

Where did fox say this? And since when can you violate the constitution that easily?

They had a commentor on whom saisaid as much, as it would set a bad precedent towards Presidents having the power to run around congress through a NE. They didn't indicate Gun Conteol or the like, which is easily impossible even with a National Emergency declaration, but rather the practice of effectively flipping Ckngress the bird, amd gettijg funding through dubious legality

He likely isn't breaking the constitution powers, either. Rather, he may be running afoul of various statutes and the like. No court is going to atrile down his NE declaration, unless he tries to continue with one after Ckngress passes a joint resolution to end it. Rather, they may say that he is innapropriately utilizing funds and not allowed to do somethings he wants given current law and statutes on National Emergencies.

Basically, he isn't goinf to run into a problem for what he is doing, but rather how.

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:04 am**

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:President Trump has just declared a national emergency, due to the Democrats in congress shameful intransigence on the legal and illegal immigration issue, if it were not for President Trump the Democrats would have welcomed all of the Honduran Caravan with open arms even if they don't qualify for any kind of asylum, as most don't qualify. So will the Democrats in congress with their majority in the House and minority in the Senate try to impeach President Trump out of office, making those predictions we have been reading about in the Press come true? If they do they will not like President Pence either, and his Vice Presidential Pick, which I hope would be Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz, who would be the first Cuban American Hispanic Vice President and even a Jew ban.

In about 5 minutes into the video.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartandhp

Posted Friday Feb 15 2019

Repeating the same lies over and over won't magically make them true.

Posted: **Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:22 am**

I think we live in Bizarro Land

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