US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Neutraligon]

Which is going to piss off the senate republicans more than anything. Not all of them but enough to probably make his last year living hell.

You speak as if he's not going to get reelected. That's far from certain. What if Democrats nominate Joe Biden?

Biden is rather well liked.

[Thermodolia]

Probably not. He’s shown democrats and his own party that he’s weak. The democrats just have to say we won’t do shit until the government is fully funded. Repeat as necessary.

Now the Trump hardliners are obviously claiming that Trump pulled a 1634D chess move but reality shows a different story.

Honestly I think Trump is gearing up for a war and he wants to get this shutdown thing gone. I think he’s not going to even care if the wall isn’t agreed upon in 3 weeks. He wants war with Venezuela. That’s what I get for wishing we could invade a Caribbean nation

Oh Thermy, you're truly NSG's best communist

Soviet flags? What Soviet flags?

Anyways, I'd rather have a wall than a war with Venezuela. Is destroying a random country a prerequisite to run for reelection?

Apparently in the US it is.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

You speak as if he's not going to get reelected. That's far from certain. What if Democrats nominate Joe Biden?

He’s facing an uphill battle. It’s not likely that he wins a second term. If the Democrats nominate Uncle Joe Biden then it’s over for Trump. Biden has consistently beat Trump in the polls at national and state levels and not with small margins either.

To be fair, it wasn't likely he'd win the first term - which was also an uphill battle. Yet he did.

He's lucky the presidency isn't chosen by popular vote.

[Neutraligon]

Oh Thermy, you're truly NSG's best communist

Soviet flags? What Soviet flags?

Anyways, I'd rather have a wall than a war with Venezuela. Is destroying a random country a prerequisite to run for reelection?

Apparently in the US it is.

Wartime presidents tend to get supported by the public. I wonder if that is going to happen should Trump "go to war."

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

The US is the only nation of the world where a shutdown of the government can happen,

Didn't Belgium's government shutdown for over 180+ days once?

[Shofercia]

You speak as if he's not going to get reelected. That's far from certain. What if Democrats nominate Joe Biden?

He’s facing an uphill battle. It’s not likely that he wins a second term. If the Democrats nominate Uncle Joe Biden then it’s over for Trump. Biden has consistently beat Trump in the polls at national and state levels and not with small margins either.

Those are old polls, showing narrow leads in critical states. Trump's been hit hard by negative news for quite some time, Biden hasn't. His support is likely to drop. At this point, I'm only seeing Gabbard beating Trump, (out of the ones who declared) as Biden's going to be painted as an insider and a stooge.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Probably not. He’s shown democrats and his own party that he’s weak. The democrats just have to say we won’t do shit until the government is fully funded. Repeat as necessary.

Now the Trump hardliners are obviously claiming that Trump pulled a 1634D chess move but reality shows a different story.

Honestly I think Trump is gearing up for a war and he wants to get this shutdown thing gone. I think he’s not going to even care if the wall isn’t agreed upon in 3 weeks. He wants war with Venezuela. That’s what I get for wishing we could invade a Caribbean nation

Oh Thermy, you're truly NSG's best communist

Anyways, I'd rather have a wall than a war with Venezuela. Is destroying a random country a prerequisite to run for reelection?

War with Venezuela might actually be cheaper than a border wall, tbh.

[Thermodolia]

You speak as if he's not going to get reelected. That's far from certain. What if Democrats nominate Joe Biden?

Biden is rather well liked.

Considerably so. Current polls have Biden leading Trump by 12 points. In the last poll Biden got 53%, Trump got 41%, with 6% undecided.

You normally don’t have that low amount of undecided this early on

[Thermodolia]

The US is the only nation of the world where a shutdown of the government can happen,

Didn't Belgium's government shutdown for over 180+ days once?

535 days with a government I want to say. Though Northern Ireland has them beat by 13 days or so

[Neutraligon]

He’s facing an uphill battle. It’s not likely that he wins a second term. If the Democrats nominate Uncle Joe Biden then it’s over for Trump. Biden has consistently beat Trump in the polls at national and state levels and not with small margins either.

Those are old polls, showing narrow leads in critical states. Trump's been hit hard by negative news for quite some time, Biden hasn't. His support is likely to drop. At this point, I'm only seeing Gabbard beating Trump, (out of the ones who declared) as Biden's going to be painted as an insider and a stooge.

And Trump is going to be painted as an abject failure and corrupt.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Those are old polls, showing narrow leads in critical states. Trump's been hit hard by negative news for quite some time, Biden hasn't. His support is likely to drop. At this point, I'm only seeing Gabbard beating Trump, (out of the ones who declared) as Biden's going to be painted as an insider and a stooge.

And Trump is going to be painted as an abject failure and corrupt.

Probably because he is. He already holds the record for longest government shutdown in US history.

[Thermodolia]

He’s facing an uphill battle. It’s not likely that he wins a second term. If the Democrats nominate Uncle Joe Biden then it’s over for Trump. Biden has consistently beat Trump in the polls at national and state levels and not with small margins either.

Those are old polls, showing narrow leads in critical states. Trump's been hit hard by negative news for quite some time, Biden hasn't. His support is likely to drop. At this point, I'm only seeing Gabbard beating Trump, (out of the ones who declared) as Biden's going to be painted as an insider and a stooge.

The last poll was done January 21 of this year. Don’t know how that’s an old poll. For NC the last poll was done January 7 2019 and showed an increase in support of Biden by 3 points over last year.

I think we might be under estimating Biden’s chances here. And Biden is personable, he can relate to people easily. So it really doesn’t matter what he wants done politically. Maybe for those of us on this site but the majority just like candidates because they are funny or cool or are like a family member

[Shofercia]

Oh Thermy, you're truly NSG's best communist

Anyways, I'd rather have a wall than a war with Venezuela. Is destroying a random country a prerequisite to run for reelection?

If you want to get absolutely wrecked, yes.

Bush Sr. - saved Kuwait, didn't wreck Iraq - defeated. Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia - reelected. Bush wrecked Iraq - reelected. Obama wrecked Libya - reelected.

Soviet flags? What Soviet flags?


Apparently in the US it is.

Wartime presidents tend to get supported by the public. I wonder if that is going to happen should Trump "go to war."

I doubt it. Most of the Americans were opposed to Obama's proposed Syrian Intervention, which was rather unique. The US is still in Iraq and I think the voters are a bit tired of it.

Oh Thermy, you're truly NSG's best communist

Anyways, I'd rather have a wall than a war with Venezuela. Is destroying a random country a prerequisite to run for reelection?

War with Venezuela might actually be cheaper than a border wall, tbh.

"The Iraq War will pay for itself!" - remember that?

[Thermodolia]

He’s facing an uphill battle. It’s not likely that he wins a second term. If the Democrats nominate Uncle Joe Biden then it’s over for Trump. Biden has consistently beat Trump in the polls at national and state levels and not with small margins either.

To be fair, it wasn't likely he'd win the first term - which was also an uphill battle. Yet he did.

He's lucky the presidency isn't chosen by popular vote.

Which is why I said it’s unlikely. It’s not a definite. It’s just unlikely.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

If you want to get absolutely wrecked, yes.

Bush Sr. - saved Kuwait, didn't wreck Iraq - defeated. Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia - reelected. Bush wrecked Iraq - reelected. Obama wrecked Libya - reelected.

Wartime presidents tend to get supported by the public. I wonder if that is going to happen should Trump "go to war."

I doubt it. Most of the Americans were opposed to Obama's proposed Syrian Intervention, which was rather unique. The US is still in Iraq and I think the voters are a bit tired of it.

War with Venezuela might actually be cheaper than a border wall, tbh.

"The Iraq War will pay for itself!" - remember that?

I was 4 when the Towers fell, so no.

[Shofercia]

Looking at that poll - most of NSG was wrong

[Thermodolia]

If you want to get absolutely wrecked, yes.

Bush Sr. - saved Kuwait, didn't wreck Iraq - defeated. Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia - reelected. Bush wrecked Iraq - reelected. Obama wrecked Libya - reelected.

I’m seeing a trend here. We elect stupid people.

Wartime presidents tend to get supported by the public. I wonder if that is going to happen should Trump "go to war."

I doubt it. Most of the Americans were opposed to Obama's proposed Syrian Intervention, which was rather unique. The US is still in Iraq and I think the voters are a bit tired of it.

But this is against dreaded socialism!! *scary ghost sounds*

Also something something democracy!!

[Shofercia]

Bush Sr. - saved Kuwait, didn't wreck Iraq - defeated. Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia - reelected. Bush wrecked Iraq - reelected. Obama wrecked Libya - reelected.

I’m seeing a trend here. We elect stupid people.

I doubt it. Most of the Americans were opposed to Obama's proposed Syrian Intervention, which was rather unique. The US is still in Iraq and I think the voters are a bit tired of it.

But this is against dreaded socialism!! *scary ghost sounds*

Also something something democracy!!

Oh, how I miss Jon Stewart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqzzWr32srk

[Thermodolia]

Bush Sr. - saved Kuwait, didn't wreck Iraq - defeated. Clinton wrecked Yugoslavia - reelected. Bush wrecked Iraq - reelected. Obama wrecked Libya - reelected.




I doubt it. Most of the Americans were opposed to Obama's proposed Syrian Intervention, which was rather unique. The US is still in Iraq and I think the voters are a bit tired of it.




"The Iraq War will pay for itself!" - remember that?

I was 4 when the Towers fell, so no.

You would have been 6 when we invaded. And are you really that young?

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I was 4 when the Towers fell, so no.

You would have been 6 when we invaded. And are you really that young?

Yes. Assuming my genetics are feeling generous, there's a very real possibility I'll be one of the lucky few to live to see the start of the 22nd century. I hope so, that'd be pretty cool.

[Shofercia]

"The Iraq War will pay for itself!" - remember that?

I was 4 when the Towers fell, so no.

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The Iraq war will cost little, and Iraq oil will pay for it. Then.....
BY LEE RUSS
Sunday, June 18, 2006 at 06:02 PM
If you can remember that far back, before the invasion of Iraq, Dick Cheney and friends were arrogantly sure that (a) the cost of the war would be minimal, and (b) Iraq's oil revenue would fund reconstruction efforts; it would virtually be a no-cost war, one that paid for itself.

Then, reality met fantasy and, as usual, reality prevailed.

Sunday, January 19, 2003:
--Q: Mr. Secretary, on Iraq, how much money do you think the Department of Defense would need to pay for a war with Iraq?
--A (Rumsfeld): Well, the Office of Management and Budget, has come up come up with a number that's something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question. I think the way to put it into perspective is that the estimates as to what September 11th cost the United States of America ranges high up into the hundreds of billions of dollars. Now, another event in the United States that was like September 11th, and which cost thousands of lives, but one that involved a -- for example, a biological weapon, would be -- have a cost in human life, as well as in billions, hundreds of billions of dollars, that would be vastly greater.
3/27/03 testimony before a Senate Appropriations Hearing
a. Rumsfeld:
I don't believe that the United States has the responsibility for reconstruction, in a sense...[Reconstruction] funds can come from those various sources I mentioned: frozen assets, oil revenues and a variety of other things, including the Oil for Food, which has a very substantial number of billions of dollars in it.

b. Wolfowitz:
We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.

September 3, 2003

Before the war the hope was that Iraq's annual production could relatively quickly rise to $15 billion to $20 billion per year. However, the system is far more decrepit that such estimates assumed, and combined with the near-daily sabotage of facilities and pipelines, it appears that oil revenues will rise only slowly over the next three years, from approximately $10 billion in 2004 to $20 billion in 2006.
Donald Hepburn, former chief executive of the Bahrain Petroleum Company and an advisor to the Middle East Policy Council, stated in his op-ed article "Nice War. Here's the Bill", published in The New York Times
September 14, 2003:
Cheney hints Iraq campaign's cost will grow
October 1, 2003:
Iraq is pumping 900,000 barrels per day--considerably less than the pre-war production level of 2.2 million-2.4 million barrels per day
November 18, 2004:

Iraq War Topping $5.8 Billion A Month
April 27, 2006:
Projected Iraq War Costs Soar--Total Spending Is Likely to More Than Double, Analysis Finds
(cost of the war in Iraq will reach $320 billion after the expected passage next month of an emergency spending bill ... and that total is likely to more than double before the war ends, the Congressional Research Service estimated this week).

So when someone tells me that the US will spend less for a war than a wall, I'm instantly skeptical. I'd rather have the wall's funding go to education, but I'd rather have a wall than a war.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

And if Trump doesn't get his wall in three weeks? Another shutdown?

Probably not. He’s shown democrats and his own party that he’s weak. The democrats just have to say we won’t do shit until the government is fully funded. Repeat as necessary.

Now the Trump hardliners are obviously claiming that Trump pulled a 1634D chess move but reality shows a different story.

Honestly I think Trump is gearing up for a war and he wants to get this shutdown thing gone. I think he’s not going to even care if the wall isn’t agreed upon in 3 weeks. He wants war with Venezuela. That’s what I get for wishing we could invade a Caribbean nation

Tbh I somehow doubt that Trump will be able to get Congressional approval to launch a war against Venezuela, I don’t think very many people in general would support it except for hardcore warhawks like John Bolton who get full chub thinking about war.

[Ifreann]

The US is the only nation of the world where a shutdown of the government can happen,

Didn't Belgium's government shutdown for over 180+ days once?

Belgium didn't have a government for 589 days. But their government workers kept getting paid.

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Didn't Belgium's government shutdown for over 180+ days once?

535 days with a government I want to say. Though Northern Ireland has them beat by 13 days or so

Northern Ireland hasn't had a government for 740 days.

[Shofercia]

Probably not. He’s shown democrats and his own party that he’s weak. The democrats just have to say we won’t do shit until the government is fully funded. Repeat as necessary.

Now the Trump hardliners are obviously claiming that Trump pulled a 1634D chess move but reality shows a different story.

Honestly I think Trump is gearing up for a war and he wants to get this shutdown thing gone. I think he’s not going to even care if the wall isn’t agreed upon in 3 weeks. He wants war with Venezuela. That’s what I get for wishing we could invade a Caribbean nation

Tbh I somehow doubt that Trump will be able to get Congressional approval to launch a war against Venezuela, I don’t think very many people in general would support it except for hardcore warhawks like John Bolton who get full chub thinking about war.

I hope so. The US needs to work on internal issues, rather than using wars as an endless source of proverbial cocaine addiction.

[Thermodolia]

I’m seeing a trend here. We elect stupid people.



But this is against dreaded socialism!! *scary ghost sounds*

Also something something democracy!!

Oh, how I miss Jon Stewart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqzzWr32srk

That man is a national treasure