US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Fartsniffage]

There is an old military term for how to secure an area, the 3Gs. Gates, guns, guys. The guys part is the most important. A 2,000 mile border wall will only be as good as the people watching and manning it.

He said it will be a smart wall and the Border Patrol will be able to monitor it with far fewer people. Weren't you listening? So people are going back to work but now the Border Patrol guys can be afraid for their jobs.

Well if it's just a pile of concrete it will still be smarter than him...

[Wallenburg]

On one condition. We move his supporters to Florida before it goes under. Georgia can take what’s left

Also if disney world can be an Island.

The Disney corporation will build 100 foot levees around their property before they let go of it. They'll contract 10 thousand Dutch engineers to do it if they have to.

[Wallenburg]

Trump is the problem, when he shut down the government over a wall.

You know, it's strange the democrats in congress or in the senate never said they wanted open borders. In fact there negotiations where for increased funding for border security, just not an overpriced useless wall.

lol, the Democrats don't have to specifically say they want open borders, they support loose asylum laws, remember the opposition to Trump trying to strengthen asylum laws, it amounts to the same thing, making it easier for those who don't qualify for any kind of asylum to qualify for asylum. I don't say it the nice way, but the end result is the same. The border security talk with no barriers is just talk and do nothing, lol.

Their is a fence in Hungary, their are fences and other barriers on many nations border entry check points to keep illegal persons out including Mexico. When I went to visit Niagara Falls in Canada with family and friends, two of our friends did not have the necessary legal papers to enter Canada and had too stay on the US side of the border.

The Democrats want the US to accept asylum seekers at all. The Trump administration would rather remove that option entirely.

[Corrian]

So Trump basically caved to something he could have caved to weeks ago. Also it seemed like ATC members were just starting to begin to protest themselves.

[San Lumen]

So Trump basically caved to something he could have caved to weeks ago. Also it seemed like ATC members were just starting to begin to protest themselves.

And in three weeks he's not getting his wall either.

[Galloism]

So Trump basically caved to something he could have caved to weeks ago. Also it seemed like ATC members were just starting to begin to protest themselves.

And in three weeks he's not getting his wall either.

And we get to have the rodeo all over again.

[San Lumen]

And in three weeks he's not getting his wall either.

And we get to have the rodeo all over again.

I very much doubt Congress will be willing to go through this nonsense again.

[Neutraligon]

And in three weeks he's not getting his wall either.

And we get to have the rodeo all over again.

Except likely fewer people will be willing to go through the BS. Especially since it will be a while before those furloughed employees get their back pay.

[Galloism]

And we get to have the rodeo all over again.

Except likely fewer people will be willing to go through the BS. Especially since it will be a while before those furloughed employees get their back pay.

Don't they get it roughly as soon as the bill is signed by the president (plus a few days for payroll processing)?

Congress already approved the back pay once the government reopened.

[Thermodolia]

Except likely fewer people will be willing to go through the BS. Especially since it will be a while before those furloughed employees get their back pay.

Don't they get it roughly as soon as the bill is signed by the president (plus a few days for payroll processing)?

Congress already approved the back pay once the government reopened.

It took one army guy I knew 6 months before he got backpay and this was for the short one earlier last year

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

The tourist thing was an add on, making it easy for persons who don't qualify for any kind of asylum qualify for asylum is favoring illegal immigration.

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

The tourist thing was an add on, making it easy for persons who don't qualify for any kind of asylum qualify for asylum is favoring illegal immigration.

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

Again if asylum laws are made easier and those persons who don't qualify for any kind of asylum now qualify for asylum, that is favoring illegal immigration and calling it legal immigration, a nice excuse, that is what the Democrats want, if not they should not have opposed President Trump's attempt to make the asylum laws harder.

Most Honduran Caravan asylum seekers don't qualify for any kind of asylum, and yet we let them in and put them through the process, and have to hold them in detention centers, than it is harder to deport them when their asylum claim is denied, this has to change, this has to end, and President Trump has tried to do so, and Italy's Salvini has done or tried to so something similar, this happens in many parts of the world.

The Fence in Hungary stops illegal immigration through the fence in Hungary, their are other similar barriers in many nations. If I were to accept a temporary visa of any kind of any nation, I know I have to return when the visa expires, if I overstay my visa I become an illegal person subject to deportation, I have intentionally broken the visa law, I should not have the right to a visa hearing because I intentionally overstayed my visa and became an illegal person and I broke the visa law, I should be detained, arrested and held for deportation.

My family and I applied for legal immigration to the USA, met the requirements and waited our turn in that hell hole eternal dictatorship revolution nation of Cuba for many years, we had to take and pass a medical exam and pay for it, actually my legal immigrant family in the US paid for the medical exams, requested our immigration visas and sponsored us for one year at their own expense, then I did the same for other family members in Cuba, who applied, met the requirements and waited their turn in that hell hole nation of Cuba for many years.

[Vassenor]

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

Again if asylum laws are made easier and those persons who don't qualify for any kind of asylum now qualify for asylum, that is favoring illegal immigration and calling it legal immigration, a nice excuse, that is what the Democrats want, if not they should not have opposed President Trump's attempt to make the asylum laws harder.

Most Honduran Caravan asylum seekers don't qualify for any kind of asylum, and yet we let them in and put them through the process, and have to hold them in detention centers, than it is harder to deport them when their asylum claim is denied, this has to change, this has to end, and President Trump has tried to do so, and Italy's Salvini has done or tried to so something similar, this happens in many parts of the world.

The Fence in Hungary stops illegal immigration through the fence in Hungary, their are other similar barriers in many nations. If I were to accept a temporary visa of any kind of any nation, I know I have to return when the visa expires, if I overstay my visa I become an illegal person subject to deportation, I have intentionally broken the visa law, I should not have the right to a visa hearing because I intentionally overstayed my visa and became an illegal person and I broke the visa law, I should be detained, arrested and held for deportation.

My family and I applied for legal immigration to the USA, met the requirements and waited our turn in that hell hole eternal dictatorship revolution nation of Cuba for many years, we had to take and pass a medical exam and pay for it, actually my legal immigrant family in the US paid for the medical exams, requested our immigration visas and sponsored us for one year at their own expense, then I did the same for other family members in Cuba, who applied, met the requirements and waited their turn in that hell hole nation of Cuba for many years.

So basically little more than "fuck you, got mine".

[Des-Bal]

So basically little more than "fuck you, got mine".

How is that "Fuck you got mine?" He's not saying "ban legal immigration."

The caravan that precipitated a lot of this talk was absolutely packed with people who do not qualify for asylum. Even the ones fleeing gang violence aren't eligible just because of that.

[Cannot think of a name]

Is the timing just to knock the Roger Stone story off the news?

I mean, yeah. He can't have two pieces of bad news fighting for headlines.

[Neutraligon]

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

If they successfully applied for asylum via the easy method, then that is not favoring illegal immigration. That would be legal immigration.



Also, that says nothing on why a wall should be built. Most illegal immigration comes in expired visas. So a wall would do nothing for illegal immigration.

Again if asylum laws are made easier and those persons who don't qualify for any kind of asylum now qualify for asylum, that is favoring illegal immigration and calling it legal immigration, a nice excuse, that is what the Democrats want, if not they should not have opposed President Trump's attempt to make the asylum laws harder.

I will stop you right there. The democrats said nothing about making asylum laws easier, they wanted to use what was the current asylum laws. And once again if asylum laws are made easier then that still does not mean favoring illegal immigration since once again once a person gets asylum they are legal immigrants. This is true by definition.

[Wallenburg]

My family and I applied for legal immigration to the USA, met the requirements and waited our turn in that hell hole eternal dictatorship revolution nation of Cuba for many years, we had to take and pass a medical exam and pay for it, actually my legal immigrant family in the US paid for the medical exams, requested our immigration visas and sponsored us for one year at their own expense, then I did the same for other family members in Cuba, who applied, met the requirements and waited their turn in that hell hole nation of Cuba for many years.

"The system was shit for me, so we must make sure that it is shit for everyone else, in perpetuity!"

So basically little more than "fuck you, got mine".

How is that "Fuck you got mine?" He's not saying "ban legal immigration."

The caravan that precipitated a lot of this talk was absolutely packed with people who do not qualify for asylum. Even the ones fleeing gang violence aren't eligible just because of that.

They should be.

[San Lumen]

My family and I applied for legal immigration to the USA, met the requirements and waited our turn in that hell hole eternal dictatorship revolution nation of Cuba for many years, we had to take and pass a medical exam and pay for it, actually my legal immigrant family in the US paid for the medical exams, requested our immigration visas and sponsored us for one year at their own expense, then I did the same for other family members in Cuba, who applied, met the requirements and waited their turn in that hell hole nation of Cuba for many years.

"The system was shit for me, so we must make sure that it is shit for everyone else, in perpetuity!"

We have a thread for this

[Des-Bal]

I will stop you right there. The democrats said nothing about making asylum laws easier, they wanted to use what was the current asylum laws. And once again if asylum laws are made easier then that still does not mean favoring illegal immigration since once again once a person gets asylum they are legal immigrants. This is true by definition.

If you cross the border illegally you can still apply for asylum and cannot be deported while your case is pending. The system does in fact encourage illegal immigration.

[Neutraligon]

I will stop you right there. The democrats said nothing about making asylum laws easier, they wanted to use what was the current asylum laws. And once again if asylum laws are made easier then that still does not mean favoring illegal immigration since once again once a person gets asylum they are legal immigrants. This is true by definition.

If you cross the border illegally you can still apply for asylum and cannot be deported while your case is pending. The system does in fact encourage illegal immigration.

Then rather then do what Trump did make it a law that one has to turn themselves in immediately when they cross into the US to seek asylum or they have to be within the US legally to do so.

[Des-Bal]

They should be.

Asylum's about fleeing persecution because of membership to a protected category, the idea being that if the Soviets were going to disappear you and every member of your synagogue and you managed to get into the US we were going to keep you around to hear your case regardless of how you got here.

If they just want to escape violence they can apply as refugees, without being physically in the country.

[Des-Bal]

Then rather then do what Trump did make it a law that one has to turn themselves in immediately when they cross into the US to seek asylum or they have to be within the US legally to do so.

The fact that Trump did something stupid and incorrect just means that it's not yet time to schedule the snowball fight in hell.

We have a thread for this

Where?

[Neutraligon]

Oh very interesting article about the FBI https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 454c1e3158

[Kannap]

So I hear we're getting a three week armistice before Trump holds us hostage again.

[Farnhamia]

Oh very interesting article about the FBI https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 454c1e3158

Pffft ... just another angry Democrat. Sad.

[Thermodolia]

According to my father, a big Trump fan, Trump is the hero. And he’s going to “expose” Pelosi for hating America. Just so y’all know he was going on about how all government workers are democrats and they didn’t matter a few weeks ago. Also he thinks the democrats are going to lose in 2020 because Trump played them or something. Idk. The conversation turned into him claiming that communists and socialists run the democrats and that if it wasn’t for the second amendment the nation would be run by communists and the kids in DC would be dead or something. Idk I zoned out.