US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Fartsniffage]

Since Trump would have to sign any termination resolution from Congress, it could take a while.

Does he?

The Act authorized the President to activate emergency provisions of law via an emergency declaration on the conditions that the President specifies the provisions so activated and notifies Congress. An activation would expire if the President expressly terminated the emergency, or did not renew the emergency annually, or if each house of Congress passed a resolution terminating the emergency. After presidents objected to this "Congressional termination" provision on separation of powers grounds, it was replaced in 1985 with termination by an enacted joint resolution. This means that for Congress to rescind a declared emergency, not only must they pass the joint resolution, but the President must sign the legislation. The Act also requires the President and executive agencies to maintain records of all orders and regulations that proceed from use of emergency authority, and to regularly report the cost incurred to Congress.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How long would it take for Congress to revoke it?

Since Trump would have to sign any termination resolution from Congress, it could take a while.

What would happen to the wall during this, would it get funded or beacuse of the fighting between congress vs Trump it would not get funded?

[The South Falls]

Since Trump would have to sign any termination resolution from Congress, it could take a while.

What would happen to the wall during this, would it get funded or beacuse of the fighting between congress vs Trump it would not get funded?

It would not he funded. The fighting would be too brutal for it to proceed.

[Cannot think of a name]

McConnell is allowing votes at least, though they're not passing cloture.

The Senate on Thursday failed to advance two different proposals to reopen the government -- a Republican-backed proposal that would have provided $5.7 billion for President Donald Trump's promised border wall and a Democratic-backed proposal that would not have provided new wall funding.
Both measures fell short of the 60 votes they would have needed to move forward in the upper chamber. The final vote tally for the GOP backed proposal was 50-47. The tally for the Democratic proposal was 52-44. Both would have needed 60 votes to advance.
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The decision to allow votes on measures that are not certain to receive the bipartisan support needed to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President marks a shift for McConnell, who had previously said repeatedly after the shutdown started that he would not take up legislation related to the funding impasse unless it was clear it would be able to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President.

Though that veto proof bill might be on the horizon.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said: "Hopefully we can find some third approach. We have about a dozen of us -- maybe more, six and six, I can't remember. A good many yesterday. Talking about a way to find a short-term CR acceptable to the President. I'm pretty confident if we ever got in a room without the shutdown hovering over us, that we could find a way to get this done."

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

McConnell is allowing votes at least, though they're not passing cloture.

The Senate on Thursday failed to advance two different proposals to reopen the government -- a Republican-backed proposal that would have provided $5.7 billion for President Donald Trump's promised border wall and a Democratic-backed proposal that would not have provided new wall funding.
Both measures fell short of the 60 votes they would have needed to move forward in the upper chamber. The final vote tally for the GOP backed proposal was 50-47. The tally for the Democratic proposal was 52-44. Both would have needed 60 votes to advance.
...
The decision to allow votes on measures that are not certain to receive the bipartisan support needed to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President marks a shift for McConnell, who had previously said repeatedly after the shutdown started that he would not take up legislation related to the funding impasse unless it was clear it would be able to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President.

Though that veto proof bill might be on the horizon.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said: "Hopefully we can find some third approach. We have about a dozen of us -- maybe more, six and six, I can't remember. A good many yesterday. Talking about a way to find a short-term CR acceptable to the President. I'm pretty confident if we ever got in a room without the shutdown hovering over us, that we could find a way to get this done."

Go veto proof bill!

[Thermodolia]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/index.html

It looks like he may actually pull the trigger and call a national emergency. Thats not going to sit very well with Congress nor will it be implemented as it will almost certainly face an immediate legal challenge.

Care to guess what will happen if it goes through the Supreme Court?

It’s not going to because it’s completely legal for him to do that. However congress will revoke it and the shutdown will end as trump removed his only leverage

[Thermodolia]

It has to come from somewhere, and if Trump decides to use the military to build a wall then it clearly must come from the military. They can go ahead and blame their president for costing them part of their allocated piece of the pie.

And that might be a violation of the law as the military cannot be used for law enforcement

No it wouldn’t. We’ve been over this

[Thermodolia]

Does he?

The Act authorized the President to activate emergency provisions of law via an emergency declaration on the conditions that the President specifies the provisions so activated and notifies Congress. An activation would expire if the President expressly terminated the emergency, or did not renew the emergency annually, or if each house of Congress passed a resolution terminating the emergency. After presidents objected to this "Congressional termination" provision on separation of powers grounds, it was replaced in 1985 with termination by an enacted joint resolution. This means that for Congress to rescind a declared emergency, not only must they pass the joint resolution, but the President must sign the legislation. The Act also requires the President and executive agencies to maintain records of all orders and regulations that proceed from use of emergency authority, and to regularly report the cost incurred to Congress.

Actually it’s six months. Not yearly

[Chernoslavia]

And because Democrats won’t stop their dick swinging contest with him.

Sure. But it’s not a fucking “national crisis”.

The dems tryed to restart the goverment, but Trump shut that deal down.

A branch of the United States Milltary is not geting payed yet this is not a crisis.

Rule number one of leading a country, keep the milltary happy.

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

lol wut? Source please.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

[The Emerald Legion]

McConnell is allowing votes at least, though they're not passing cloture.

The Senate on Thursday failed to advance two different proposals to reopen the government -- a Republican-backed proposal that would have provided $5.7 billion for President Donald Trump's promised border wall and a Democratic-backed proposal that would not have provided new wall funding.
Both measures fell short of the 60 votes they would have needed to move forward in the upper chamber. The final vote tally for the GOP backed proposal was 50-47. The tally for the Democratic proposal was 52-44. Both would have needed 60 votes to advance.
...
The decision to allow votes on measures that are not certain to receive the bipartisan support needed to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President marks a shift for McConnell, who had previously said repeatedly after the shutdown started that he would not take up legislation related to the funding impasse unless it was clear it would be able to pass Congress and be signed into law by the President.

Though that veto proof bill might be on the horizon.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said: "Hopefully we can find some third approach. We have about a dozen of us -- maybe more, six and six, I can't remember. A good many yesterday. Talking about a way to find a short-term CR acceptable to the President. I'm pretty confident if we ever got in a room without the shutdown hovering over us, that we could find a way to get this done."

I mean, this move doesn't indicate that at all?

Mind you, you're right. They might eventually crack and forge a veto proof bill. But the article doesn't indicate that at all.

[Thermodolia]

The dems tryed to restart the goverment, but Trump shut that deal down.

A branch of the United States Milltary is not geting payed yet this is not a crisis.

Rule number one of leading a country, keep the milltary happy.

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

lol wut? Source please.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

That effects almost a million workers directly and millions indirectly

[Chernoslavia]

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

lol wut? Source please.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

That effects almost a million workers directly and millions indirectly

as in their families? Yes.

[Fartsniffage]

That effects almost a million workers directly and millions indirectly

as in their families? Yes.

As in the people who run the local shop to the furloughed workers.

[Wallenburg]

No, I mean that Democrats better not give the military another $7B if Trump does this, because that's literally just funding the wall anyway. The military will feel the absence of that $7B in the rest of their programs and will not thank Trump for it.

I don think they will and Republicans in the Senate will not be happy about Trump bypassing Congress

I admire your optimism in the face of political idiocy and selfishness.

[Spirit of Hope]

The dems tryed to restart the goverment, but Trump shut that deal down.

A branch of the United States Milltary is not geting payed yet this is not a crisis.

Rule number one of leading a country, keep the milltary happy.

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

The president wants to spend billions of dollars on a wall that basically everyone who studies it says is a bad idea and will have a negligible effect on illegal immigration. He also wants that money with very little having been put forward as a feasibility study by the government. What is the wall going to look like, where exactly will it be built, who is going to build it, how are they going to build it, etc. There was a deal, that Trump had even agreed to, which included no wall funding. He pulled out of it at the last minute.

lol wut? Source please.

US Coast Guard.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

While I agree that implying the military will revolt or something is silly, this is a very big deal. 800,000 people are directly not being paid by the government, this does not include the people who can not get subsidies, loans, exemptions from taxes or tariffs, permits, tax stamps, contractors not getting paid, etc. It is a very big deal.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The dems tryed to restart the goverment, but Trump shut that deal down.

A branch of the United States Milltary is not geting payed yet this is not a crisis.

Rule number one of leading a country, keep the milltary happy.

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

lol wut? Source please.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

Source on a branch of the United States Milltary not getting payed.

Dems are trying to end the shutdown if you haven't noticed.


That means 800,000 people can't pay bills for over a month, but do go on about how it's only partial shutdown.

That's like saying only partial parts of your brain are shut down and you are still fine.

[Yaybor]

The bad thing is, Congress and the President are still getting paid.

[Kowani]

The bad thing is, Congress and the President are still getting paid.

Didn’t they just give themselves a raise too?

[Neutraligon]

The bad thing is, Congress and the President are still getting paid.

Didn’t they just give themselves a raise too?

The bill to do so happened before the shutdown. Also, I am not sure I think it is a bad thing for Congress to be paid during a shutdown (president sure since housing and food is assured) because it means that only the wealthy can try and become a member of Congress.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

The bill to do so happened before the shutdown. Also, I am not sure I think it is a bad thing for Congress to be paid during a shutdown (president sure since housing and food is assured) because it means that only the wealthy can try and become a member of Congress.

It is impossible to get into congress without being wealthy, so that doesn’t make a difference at this point.

[Thermodolia]

The bad thing is, Congress and the President are still getting paid.

Didn’t they just give themselves a raise too?

The president yes, congress no. Congress can’t vote themselves a raise.

[Seangoli]

The Dems don't get to play innocent and pretend to care about federal workers not getting paid when they too are prolonging this shutdown just because they don't like the thought of giving the big bad orange man what he wants.

lol wut? Source please.

Stop blowing this out of proportion, it's partial shutdown ffs.

Source on a branch of the United States Milltary not getting payed.

Dems are trying to end the shutdown if you haven't noticed.


That means 800,000 people can't pay bills for over a month, but do go on about how it's only partial shutdown.

That's like saying only partial parts of your brain are shut down and you are still fine.

It's at this point I would like to point out that the Senate turned down the Republican plan today to reopen the government without even getting a simple majority at 50-47. Meanwhile, the Senate Democrat plan actually did garner Republican support at 52-44, however is still shy of the 60 votes needed.

In other words, the Democrat plan is actually more popular in the Republican controlled Senate than the Republican plan is.

To paint this as strictly a Democrat vs. Republican divide is disingenuous. McConnell can't even get all of the Republicans on board for his plan, and the Democrats, and can't even garner a simple majority im the Senate that his party controls.

[NeoOasis]

Didn’t they just give themselves a raise too?

The president yes, congress no. Congress can’t vote themselves a raise.

They can. It's in the constitution. Only issue for congress is they won't see that raise till the next term begins.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Worst case is Trump goes full Boris Yelstin '93 in this case, orders a platoon of M1A2s to point their guns at the senate offices, and open fire with DU APFSDS shells until it catches fire.

So far that hasn't happened, so it doesn't look like the US government is anywhere near the point of dissolving just yet.

And Boris got re-elected after that. (Plus invaded Chechnya/Shelled Grozny)

[Thermodolia]

Worst case is Trump goes full Boris Yelstin '93 in this case, orders a platoon of M1A2s to point their guns at the senate offices, and open fire with DU APFSDS shells until it catches fire.

So far that hasn't happened, so it doesn't look like the US government is anywhere near the point of dissolving just yet.

And Boris got re-elected after that. (Plus invaded Chechnya/Shelled Grozny)

Ya but Yelstin was at least smart when he wasn’t drunk off his ass. Trump would probably get conned into aiming the tank at his own office