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Will the government shutdown in three weeks?

Yes
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No
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Total votes : 134

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:15 pm

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...Handshake?

Okay, thanks I guess.
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Postby Ism » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:03 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.

When did we ban morphine again?


It’s different when the drug companies do it Gallo, gawd.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:25 pm

Ism wrote:
Galloism wrote:When did we ban morphine again?


It’s different when the drug companies do it Gallo, gawd.

I always forget. I shall have myself lashed again, and charge the public to do the lashing.
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Postby Loben » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:59 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ism wrote:
It’s different when the drug companies do it Gallo, gawd.

I always forget. I shall have myself lashed again, and charge the public to do the lashing.


did someone say morphine?

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:15 pm

The Isle of Beithe wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Beacuse being addicted to sugar is like being addicted to meth.

One is clearly more damaging then the other.


Caffeine is also very addictive, yet how many of you are willing to give up that morning cup of joe?

Telconi wrote:
Judging by the numbers, its sugar, by a long shot.


Well, diabetes is pretty serious.


Again you ars comparing sugar and coffee to meth and
cocaine.

It is a day and night comparison.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.

When did we ban morphine again?

Diffrent subject entirely.

Morphine was baned from public use and is only used by doctors in specific areas.


Meth kills and destroys.

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Postby The Grims » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:55 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kowani wrote:What happened to bodily autonomy?
Oh wait, drugs are icky.


Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.

Tell that to the alcohol and tobacco companies.

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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:06 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:When did we ban morphine again?

Diffrent subject entirely.

Morphine was baned from public use and is only used by doctors in specific areas.


Meth kills and destroys.

Interesting tidbit of history - we used to use heroin for medical purposes.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:25 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Diffrent subject entirely.

Morphine was baned from public use and is only used by doctors in specific areas.


Meth kills and destroys.

Interesting tidbit of history - we used to use heroin for medical purposes.


Used to.

Now we don't. We use different substances based on heroin in medical use now. But even then that can turn out to be deadly so doctors do not prescribe it unless absolutely necessary.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:27 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Galloism wrote:Interesting tidbit of history - we used to use heroin for medical purposes.


Used to.

Now we don't. We use different substances based on heroin in medical use now. But even then that can turn out to be deadly so doctors do not prescribe it unless absolutely necessary.

Well, you hope.

Prescription drug abuse is a major problem in the US.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Used to.

Now we don't. We use different substances based on heroin in medical use now. But even then that can turn out to be deadly so doctors do not prescribe it unless absolutely necessary.

Well, you hope.

Prescription drug abuse is a major problem in the US.


Yes. Yes it is.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:05 am

Funny, but also, you know...has a point...
Coulter appeared to be patting herself on the back for causing Trump to flip on the issue, noting that Trump had been seemingly losing his way but "we've reeled him back." Sure, others on the right, including Fox News anchors, slammed Trump on this issue as well, but Coulter and Limbaugh were the ones who lead this charge.

Given this history, why would Pelosi or any Democratic leader waste their time speaking to Trump about this issue, especially given that Coulter has already opposed Trump's latest proposal.
Pelosi needs to negotiate with those who really call the shots: Coulter and Limbaugh. In fact, at this point, with all the power they hold over the Trump administration, maybe Coulter and Limbaugh should get Secret Service protection. While it's unlikely Pelosi will truly find common ground with these two, if somehow she actually did, we would have a binding deal to re-open the government.
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Postby Knask » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:45 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No he hasn't. I see no evidence that he's ever had a thought that wasn't fed to him.

Who thought up 'build the wall?'

You're going to be surprised:

As Mr. Trump began exploring a presidential run in 2014, his political advisers landed on the idea of a border wall as a mnemonic device of sorts, a way to make sure their candidate — who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder — would remember to talk about getting tough on immigration, which was to be a signature issue in his nascent campaign.

“How do we get him to continue to talk about immigration?” Sam Nunberg, one of Mr. Trump’s early political advisers, recalled telling Roger J. Stone Jr., another adviser. “We’re going to get him to talk about he’s going to build a wall.”

Talk Mr. Trump did, and the line drew rapturous cheers from conservative audiences, thrilling the candidate and soon becoming a staple of campaign speeches. Chants of “Build the wall!” echoed through arenas throughout the country.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:51 am

Knask wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Who thought up 'build the wall?'

You're going to be surprised:

As Mr. Trump began exploring a presidential run in 2014, his political advisers landed on the idea of a border wall as a mnemonic device of sorts, a way to make sure their candidate — who hated reading from a script but loved boasting about himself and his talents as a builder — would remember to talk about getting tough on immigration, which was to be a signature issue in his nascent campaign.

“How do we get him to continue to talk about immigration?” Sam Nunberg, one of Mr. Trump’s early political advisers, recalled telling Roger J. Stone Jr., another adviser. “We’re going to get him to talk about he’s going to build a wall.”

Talk Mr. Trump did, and the line drew rapturous cheers from conservative audiences, thrilling the candidate and soon becoming a staple of campaign speeches. Chants of “Build the wall!” echoed through arenas throughout the country.

IIRC Steve King actually proposed the idea of a border wall to Congress back in 2006
Even built a little model to demonstrate what a wall is, I suppose
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Postby Page » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:57 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kowani wrote:What happened to bodily autonomy?
Oh wait, drugs are icky.


Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.


Cause being locked up in jail for drugs isn't at all life destroying...
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Postby Telconi » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:05 am

Page wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.


Cause being locked up in jail for drugs isn't at all life destroying...


But it's the state's prerogative to ruin your life for the offense of potentially ruining your life.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:44 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
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You do realize they will get paid all that is owed once this is over correct?

There is no guarantee whatsoever.

And with the Donald in charge? Don't count on back pay.
Not to mention, even if they do get back-pay when and if the shutdown ends, that doesn't help if you're financially destitute now.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:02 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
You do realize they will get paid all that is owed once this is over correct?

There is no guarantee whatsoever.

And with the Donald in charge? Don't count on back pay.
Not to mention, even if they do get back-pay when and if the shutdown ends, that doesn't help if you're financially destitute now.

Depending on how you sort the data, anywhere from 25% to 80% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
Missing a single payment can fuck you up something awful. Being poor is expensive.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:43 am

Galloism wrote:
Ism wrote:
It’s different when the drug companies do it Gallo, gawd.

I always forget. I shall have myself lashed again, and charge the public to do the lashing.


How much per lash?
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:56 am

Page wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Addicting life destoying drugs should not be allowed.


Cause being locked up in jail for drugs isn't at all life destroying...

People who distribute manufacturer and push meth and cocaine should have there life destoyed.

The victims who are addicts of these drugs should be cleaned up and helped back into the real world instead of going to jail.

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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:59 am

I almost hope the government stays shut down for two years....
Whoever said "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink" has clearly never drown a horse.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:01 am

Par Chic wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
It's already been a month long, February is only 28 days long.




No.

And I don't support any group that is violent towards it's political opponents.


Then why do you attack antifa?


Beacuse they attack physicaly liberals and conservatives.

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Postby The Grims » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:18 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Par Chic wrote:
Then why do you attack antifa?


Beacuse they attack physicaly liberals and conservatives.

What if antifa would be true to their name and only punch actual nazis and fascists ?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:19 am

The Grims wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Beacuse they attack physicaly liberals and conservatives.

What if antifa would be true to their name and only punch actual nazis and fascists ?

Punching people because you don't like what they say is a symptom of emotional immaturity.
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:22 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Grims wrote:What if antifa would be true to their name and only punch actual nazis and fascists ?

Punching people because you don't like what they say is a symptom of emotional immaturity.


Even the pope has stated he would take a swing at people who insult his mother. I daresay that nazis are several orders of magnitude worse

But no punching at all?

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