US Government Shutdown- It's Over!... For Now

[Thermodolia]

I can't wait for the next terrorist attack because the TSA could give even less shits about their job.

Or a heavy influx of drug trafficking and an increase in deaths at sea because there’s no more Coast Guard either.

Or a massive outbreak of food borne illness because the FDA can’t inspect shit

[Thermodolia]

It's not unprecedented for the navy to take control of the Coast Guard.

They don’t actually take control of the Coast Guard in the way you’re thinking. During times of war the USCG becomes a branch under the Department of the Navy like the Marines and Navy are.

See the actual naval service branch is technically legally separate from the department of the Navy

[Heloin]

Or a heavy influx of drug trafficking and an increase in deaths at sea because there’s no more Coast Guard either.

Or a massive outbreak of food borne illness because the FDA can’t inspect shit

US Government Shutdown Day 471: You'd think all the deaths from the E. coli outbreak would mean a deal would be found.

[Thermodolia]

I daresay that the uprising would begin far sooner, when people realise their beer is running out.

Actually our beer supply is probably fine for a while.

Most of it is moved by truck or train, which are both private. And the roads and rails are quite durable.

Ya but we can’t produce beer. Since the USDA is furloughed it has halted the production of new beer

[Infected Mushroom]

are there no specialised divisions of soldiers fanatically loyal to the President?

This is what’s generally considered a bad idea. It’s how you get coups.

given the state of affairs in the USA, this may be necessary at some point

there are definitely lots of governance problems in the USA

[Heloin]

^^ This. If a president is so desperate and so weak that he has to order the military to oust those that he can't otherwise defeat or negotiate with, then the military is more likely to oust the weak president than the Congress that has apparently been defeating him.

are there no specialised divisions of soldiers fanatically loyal to the President?

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

[Kowani]

This is what’s generally considered a bad idea. It’s how you get coups.

given the state of affairs in the USA, this may be necessary at some point

there are definitely lots of governance problems in the USA

Yes. A military dictatorship is a good idea. Do you realize how much of a bad fucking idea that is?

[Thermodolia]

Nope, brewers are federal.

Damn.

END THE CRISIS NOW!!!!! THIS MUST END!!!

how long do licenses last?

<bites nails>

About a year

[Infected Mushroom]

are there no specialised divisions of soldiers fanatically loyal to the President?

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

not necessarily saying it should be Trump or the current military command ruling... but there definitely needs some radical changes in the USA because the current system isn't doing well

if the process is not working, then the process itself must be changed, by force if necessary

[Infected Mushroom]

given the state of affairs in the USA, this may be necessary at some point

there are definitely lots of governance problems in the USA

Yes. A military dictatorship is a good idea. Do you realize how much of a bad fucking idea that is?

Im undecided on who to back as the new ruler yet

[Thermodolia]

are there no specialised divisions of soldiers fanatically loyal to the President?

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

Or modern day China (PRC). The entire military is loyal only to the CCP and not the nation and people of China.

[Thermodolia]

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

not necessarily saying it should be Trump or the current military command ruling... but there definitely needs some radical changes in the USA because the current system isn't doing well

if the process is not working, then the process itself must be changed, by force if necessary

I agree. Let’s have a revolution and install me as General Secretary of the American Workers United Party.

[Heloin]

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

not necessarily saying it should be Trump or the current military command ruling... but there definitely needs some radical changes in the USA because the current system isn't doing well

if the process is not working, then the process itself must be changed, by force if necessary

Military coups to install military dictatorships are the worst option possible though.

[Kowani]

Yes. A military dictatorship is a good idea. Do you realize how much of a bad fucking idea that is?

Im undecided on who to back as the new ruler yet

How about democracy? Let’s do that. No military dictatorships necessary. Leaders get term limits and checks and balances. Bad leaders get voted out. (Unless you’re Italy.) We don’t all lose basic freedoms.

[Infected Mushroom]

Im undecided on who to back as the new ruler yet

How about democracy? Let’s do that. No military dictatorships necessary. Leaders get term limits and checks and balances. Bad leaders get voted out. (Unless you’re Italy.) We don’t all lose basic freedoms.

its not been working out that well in the American context

the shutdown and all of this political circus demonstrates that

[Heloin]

Soldiers and Armies loyal to a person and not a country are always a terrible idea, that's what gets you Warlord Era China or contemporary Afghanistan.

Or modern day China (PRC). The entire military is loyal only to the CCP and not the nation and people of China.

Eh, while the PLA and the CCP are shit they haven't carved up China into competing internal countries with warlords each fighting the other. Yet.

[Thermodolia]

not necessarily saying it should be Trump or the current military command ruling... but there definitely needs some radical changes in the USA because the current system isn't doing well

if the process is not working, then the process itself must be changed, by force if necessary

Military coups to install military dictatorships are the worst option possible though.

And usually don’t last long. Chile and places like it are rare. Most end up like Argentina. Where the a part military starts to overthrow the current military leadership.

Also a failed or partially successful coup can end up in a civil war

[Kowani]

How about democracy? Let’s do that. No military dictatorships necessary. Leaders get term limits and checks and balances. Bad leaders get voted out. (Unless you’re Italy.) We don’t all lose basic freedoms.

its not been working out that well in the American context

the shutdown and all of this political circus demonstrates that

You seem to conflate perfect with working out well. Are there problems? Fuck yeah. Is reform needed? Even more yes, somehow. Is a military dictatorship (and probably civil war) going to do either of those things? So many degrees of no. Would they help anyone? Unless their name is Putin or Kim, no.

[Thermodolia]

How about democracy? Let’s do that. No military dictatorships necessary. Leaders get term limits and checks and balances. Bad leaders get voted out. (Unless you’re Italy.) We don’t all lose basic freedoms.

its not been working out that well in the American context

the shutdown and all of this political circus demonstrates that

Probably because America needs better democracy.

In my dream world the House would be elected by single district closed list PR, the senate would be elected by STV and the president would be elected by two round.

The house has 500 members. The senate has 250 with each state getting 5 senators. The house would serve for 3 years and the senate and president would serve for six years. How’re half of the senate would be staggered so that every 3 year all of the house and half of the senate would be elected.

The president would also appoint the prime minister who must be a member of the house. I think a semi-presidental form of government would be a good check on power

[Heloin]

How about democracy? Let’s do that. No military dictatorships necessary. Leaders get term limits and checks and balances. Bad leaders get voted out. (Unless you’re Italy.) We don’t all lose basic freedoms.

its not been working out that well in the American context

the shutdown and all of this political circus demonstrates that

Dictatorships are only praised by those who haven't had to experience one or are the leaders of one. For all it's faults democracies are by far the best system of government to live under. If you think a dictatorship would fix the problems you see today then there is a good chance you will not be in the circle of those leading one.

[Confederate States of German America]

not necessarily saying it should be Trump or the current military command ruling... but there definitely needs some radical changes in the USA because the current system isn't doing well

if the process is not working, then the process itself must be changed, by force if necessary

I agree. Let’s have a revolution and install me as General Secretary of the American Workers United Party.

If the old military was still around, I'd be in favor of military rule; the Obama Administration and now, ironically, the Trump Administration have killed the old force. After the McChrystal Affair, thousands of officers were early retired. The force as a whole got changed on a lot in the aftermath, with the biggest being the new diversity training and women being allowed in. Not too long ago the Marines lost one of their best officers who many expected to get flag rank over his stance on said diversity training.

Given that, I'm inclined to hear what you have to say. What's your platform?

[Confederate States of German America]

its not been working out that well in the American context

the shutdown and all of this political circus demonstrates that

Dictatorships are only praised by those who haven't had to experience one or are the leaders of one. For all it's faults democracies are by far the best system of government to live under. If you think a dictatorship would fix the problems you see today then there is a good chance you will not be in the circle of those leading one.

I take it you were around for the Bush War?

[Thermodolia]

I agree. Let’s have a revolution and install me as General Secretary of the American Workers United Party.

If the old military was still around, I'd be in favor of military rule; the Obama Administration and now, ironically, the Trump Administration have killed the old force. After the McChrystal Affair, thousands of officers were early retired. The force as a whole got changed on a lot in the aftermath, with the biggest being the new diversity training and women being allowed in. Not too long ago the Marines lost one of their best officers who many expected to get flag rank over his stance on said diversity training.

Given that, I'm inclined to hear what you have to say. What's your platform?

Cultural Nationalist. Mass unionization. And hybrid syndicalist-State system.

[Confederate States of German America]

If the old military was still around, I'd be in favor of military rule; the Obama Administration and now, ironically, the Trump Administration have killed the old force. After the McChrystal Affair, thousands of officers were early retired. The force as a whole got changed on a lot in the aftermath, with the biggest being the new diversity training and women being allowed in. Not too long ago the Marines lost one of their best officers who many expected to get flag rank over his stance on said diversity training.

Given that, I'm inclined to hear what you have to say. What's your platform?

Cultural Nationalist. Mass unionization. And hybrid syndicalist-State system.

You still like Universal Democracy, unfortunately. Explain further on what you envision of the hybrid system? Also, no Integral Nationalism?

[Heloin]

Dictatorships are only praised by those who haven't had to experience one or are the leaders of one. For all it's faults democracies are by far the best system of government to live under. If you think a dictatorship would fix the problems you see today then there is a good chance you will not be in the circle of those leading one.

I take it you were around for the Bush War?

No, that was my dad's childhood and teenage years. Mine was growing up in Zimbabwe, slowly getting to see parts of the family pushed off the farms and life outside the cities getting worse and worse. Having to spend most of 2008 away from school because my parents were blamed for Ndebele in the neighbourhood not voting ZANU-PF.